Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Caduagm

They DO have, but we didnt hear any complain after whm having his spot guaranteed by 3/4 of Heavensward time until SE buffed balance.
Also just saying other classes are getting hit harder than WHM and we see few complainers about it.

No other classes are getting core job mechanics that actively go against efficient play. No other classes have 2/3 of the active skills of their contemporaries. No other classes are being outmatched in literally everything they do by their contemporaries, with change to spare.

It's not like SE didn't hear our worries from before. Yoshi made a big deal of it when discussing Monk: he said something along the lines of "So, turns out people like having synergy and utility in classes" and addressed that in Paladin and Monk, two of the big three. Us WHMs were sitting, waiting patiently for him to get round to announcing we got something else and instead got told "No, no utility for YOU, you're a healer. Now excuse us while we go and give AST more cards and buffs and give SCH a crit up skill."

Originally Posted by Caduagm

I am sorry, or are you just contradicting what you said?

Raw, personal damage and raid damage are not the same. You're just being awkward now.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Erm, no? It heal the selected target by 40% more if it is a single target heal

That's still a 40% buff.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

They DO have, but we didnt hear any complain after whm having his spot guaranteed by 3/4 of Heavensward time until SE buffed balance.
Also just saying other classes are getting hit harder than WHM and we see few complainers about it.

If you want to talk about the changes to other jobs and how you think they could be improved upon, why not go post in those threads? They exist, there are a few threads discussing SCH on the first page alone.

Originally Posted by Subasu

What if lilies reduced the MP cost of our skills instead? 1 lily = 5% MP reduction, 2 lilies = 10% and 3 lilies = 15% (or 20% dealers choice). This makes gaining lillies desirable, because WHMs already suffer MP problems, even with Largeese, we will still be wanting for MP. With MP reduction, we won't be killing ourselves for playing our class to the fullest.

I was thinking about this earlier, a good passive trait just for having lilies would be awesome. I don't think those numbers would be quite as high, but it would actually make lilies worth having. Especially if it was MP reduction, it could negate our need to take Lucid Dreaming - content permitting.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Aero was most of the time(unless you had to move or use a ogcd after it will probably be the same with Aero 2 now) useless for whm, has lower potency than stone 3.
Had better potency than broil for scholar and depending on your spell speed was worth it for ast.

We still used it, most especially on bosses. Believe it or not.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Well if you are talking about the only other so it is the shields/mitigation.

Wrong. We could possibly grant Reflect, Haste, or even Auto-Raise as buffs of some kind. We could have our own unique buffs, we don't need to take shields but speaking of them.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Whm got a RNG one. As I said before AST lost disable. The Bole and Collective Unconscious which the first one is a RNG and if we want an AoE of that we have to wait at least 60 secs (Royal Road and Spread) and the second one each 90 seconds.

We CANNOT spread our RNG shield even if we wanted to. Your RNG shield sticks around for a minimum 30secs at 20% , and can possibly be spread to everyone to take 10%.

I'm sorry about disable, you can have it back when I get my Stoneskin II back.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Ok, so I guess you won't get Cleric Stance since you said by your own Damage is not utility.

I said it wasn't the utility you think it is, it's not. Nobody is going to think WHM's dps is better than AST's party buffs and SCH's party buffs. We CANNOT afford to take Cleric Stance because we need the Role slot for Swiftcast or E4E.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

You're saying about Esuna, bust AST lost Exalted Detriment and Sch lost Leeches. Ast lost a tick of MP refresh from Lucid Dreaming and WHM won 2. Sch had Aetherflow nerfed by half.

The only time I mentioned Esuna I mentioned head to give it up to get a different role ability. Oh, I see what you're saying, my apologies you need to spend TWO role slots to get back what you lost. That's still three less than the WHM five. So again you come out on top in Role ability utility.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Yes we saw the buffs, we saw that GCDs Cures got buffed (probably because of Divine Seal nerf). And about AST we're completly unsure since lots of tooltips have different translations

It's either 10% or 15%. According to other posts in this thread and others that still means AST outheal WHM.

Look, I know you want WHM deleted and our abilities split between SCH and AST but there's still life in this corpse and you don't get to loot it just yet.

I'd love to continue this discussion but I am now post capped. I leave it to others to keep pointing things out to you.

Originally Posted by Keridwyn

As it stands we have to drop Cleric Stance to take Swiftcast so to get any more of the Role abilities we give up either Protect, Esuna, Lucid Dream, or Largess. All of those abilities were base parts of our kit at one time. AST went half and half with us on Lucid Dreaming so they only have to spend one Role ability to get back what they gave up to it.

Ok, so I guess you won't get Cleric Stance since you said by your own that ''Damage is not utility''. You're saying about Esuna, bust AST lost Exalted Detriment and Sch lost Leeches. Ast lost a tick of MP refresh from Lucid Dreaming and WHM won 2. Sch had Aetherflow nerfed by half.

Originally Posted by Keridwyn

We saw the buffs, we also saw AST's buffs. Like the buff to AST's sects that lets it completely outheal our 'pure healer' selves.

Yes we saw the buffs, we saw that GCDs Cures got buffed (probably because of Divine Seal nerf). And about AST we're completly unsure since lots of tooltips have different translations.