Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Should we make a new thread once Early Access goes live? That way we can have a fresh thread with how we feel how WHM works and our thoughts on it.

Also it would be more user-friendly to navigate than a multi-thread that's nearing the 3k post goal. >.>

Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Should we make a new thread once Early Access goes live? That way we can have a fresh thread with how we feel how WHM works and our thoughts on it.

Much more friendly than a multi-thread that's nearing the 3k post goal.

Maybe after we hit 70, so that way people telling us to sit down, shut up, we don't know what we're talking about, wait for end-game, etc., have no other excuses for why the changes are incredibly lackluster for anything beyond 4-man content. (And don't get me wrong, they are AMAZING for 4-man dungeons, it should be fun as hell in there. But nowhere else. Not predicting it to be more fun in other content than it is right now, tho, which is...not fun for me.)

Originally Posted by kaellok

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Unless someone else jumps to it, I'll probably make the thread a week after Official Launch. Should be long enough for us to level to 70 and experience the content and build our opinions on whether or not the content requires enough healing to make Lilies more plentiful and therefore more useful than what we currently view it as.

Originally Posted by Semirhage

I find all of the "shut up and stop being so dramatic" posts pretty tiresome considering the fact that WHM is the most nerfed job in the game by a considerable margin.

I enjoy the class lore of WHM. I'm not really interested in Astro. I'm getting bored of being nerfed. I will likely swap mains until I see the dev team make mid-expansion adjustments to WHM that don't begin with "potency reduced by..." I don't think this is unreasonable or over the top.

The reason there's such backlash is because of the way the majority word it. You have some people here in this thread that have made wonderful points. It's much easier to listen to someone who goes "Here is the issue..." compared to someone who says "Trash..simply trash..I mean..fire them all..." Theorizing and saying "This is the most likely result" vs standing on solid ground saying how bad things are is the only way.

Not saying either side is right or wrong. As a white mage myself since 1.0, I liked reading what others had to say up until they get cruel with it. We know the potential problems thanks to some of the people here, and these issues might be 90% dead on, but until we go out and play there's that possibility that it's not as bad.

So all these people who are saying "stop" are mainly saying how they hear you, understand how things could play out like this and maybe you're right. All they're asking is for is for you who theorized so heavily (and have done a wonderful job) to do the same with full access to the content.

The pre-release problem theorizing is done, we know what's there. Now lets wait to see what comes of it. You can continue to test, guess on possible outcomes. It's when they go beyond theories and show it off as 100%, start acting cruel and repeating it 100x others just..don't care anymore.

Or maybe this is because the entire ordeal is like talking to my wife. She will bring home food, taste it and tell me how horrible it is for the next 10 - 15 minutes. After the first two times I don't care, I'll taste it soon and we can see if it was just her or am I part of the group too. Sometimes she's right, sometimes she's wrong. Wonderful, we've gotten a taste of white mage..people don't like the taste. Now lets sample the full course to make sure, then you can rant and complain until your hearts can't take anymore.

Then again it's your right to complain now still, just know it doesn't come off as reasonable but as a red faced child screaming in the toy isle.

To those who made the valid arguments, thank you because those might have helped in some last minute decisions. Either way..see you in StormBlood!

Originally Posted by Starflake

What part of the proclaimed OP Scholar is there? We are nerfed in Bane, Shadow Flare, Fey Illumination, Aetherflow and Embrace. Miasma II, Blizzard II and Super Virus are deleted. Chain Strategem will more than likely end up adding a 2% extra crit chance. The deletion of current Cleric stance makes the pet less relevant either. So what is it about Scholar now that is truly OP and how is WHM nerfed considerably harder, really?

Yeah idk why people are whining about WHM when SCH got the nerfbazooka and AST is really the only healer that got anything that looks like a buff. But "WHM dead" tho.

Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Yeah idk why people are whining about WHM when SCH got the nerfbazooka and AST is really the only healer that got anything that looks like a buff. But "WHM dead" tho.

Maybe because SCH lost their crazy aoe damage which was a luxury, not an essential component of their kit while still receiving incredible new abilities and barely losing anything to the role system. SCH gets better single target healing which has always been a weakness of theirs, an amazing utility heal that people aren't talking about enough in Excogitation, a boost to their heal efficiency in the swap to Cleric's stance, new damage utility, and they get access to 2 incredible role skills they never had before.

By comparison, WHM lost more skills than any job in the game to the cross-role system as a Job with an already sparse kit. Their only new ability which isn't simply more overhealing is a shield, for which they lost a shield (Stoneskin). No new utility, none of their previous weaknesses covered. The closest thing to a meaningful NEW ability WHM is getting is in Thin Air, which, realistically, does nothing in difficult content unless MP values have been inflated to make it valuable.