Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Serilda]

Last night I went to Baelsar's Wall as WHM (I'm playing it a lot at the moment before the changes hit and I switch full time). It was a minimum ilevel run but it's a dungeon, so it seemed fine - and the new player we were taking through was actually 15 levels below the minimum ilevel, though we didn't realise this until the final boss when she got one-shot by every AoE (we thought she was kidding until then as we didn't realise it would even let her join). She didn't have any VIT accessories to equip (a band aid that would be impossible in the expansion anyway) but as it was her run I wanted her to actually survive it, so we ended up with me keeping her stone-skinned before every big move and we managed to get through with everyone alive and win.

In Stormblood I won't have this ability; being able to heal for even more won't help if people need reliable mitigation. While I agree with what has been said about AST blowing everyone away, SCH would be able to use its reliable built-in mitigation to save the day too, while WHM is having the only HP buffer it has stripped away just to gain more useless, useless healing power. It frustrates me to see how short-sighted the designers have been in taking tools away from us and replacing them with absolutely nothing, then giving weak versions of core mechanics back later. There will be content I cannot even do satisfactorily as a WHM which the other healers can sail through, and losing all of my situational spells just because it was too hard to design new ones otherwise rankles.

Please fix lilies/confessions then give us some fun things back to play with so the job feels more tactical and less like a walking cure bomb in content which has never needed that much healing anyway.

[hynaku]

So are they going to remove enmity from healing so you can build up those flowers. Or tanks is going to have hard time keeping the agro from healers.

[rainblack]

So are they going to remove enmity from healing so you can build up those flowers. Or tanks is going to have hard time keeping the agro from healers.

Honestly I think it'll actually be easier for WHM not to steal aggro. Not like we'll have any time to DPS long enough to build it up, anyway.

[Atlantasia]

So are they going to remove enmity from healing so you can build up those flowers. Or tanks is going to have hard time keeping the agro from healers.

Lucid Dreaming will at least cut enmity by half like Shroud of Saints did, but if WHM is going to be stacking Crit... heaven help those tanks because the over heal is going to nab it a ton. Crit WHM is a beast with aggro... and the second Lily trait encourages WHM to go full Crit if they're going to make use of lilies at all. >___< That's actually something I haven't seen touched on in this thread and it's bothered me quite a bit. :/

[Exiled_Tonberry]

While we're on the subject of Lucid Dreaming, will AST keep their built in enmity dampener on top of this?
I would say "of course not SE is smarter than that", but AST apparently still had lower MP values than WHM despite currently healing more than them >.>

Regarding Bension: Mitigation should be used as a preemptive tool before a big hit or tankbuster. With Bension being tied to the lily system, two things can happen. Either we sit in lilies not using ANY of our OGCD heals just to mitigate the tank, or we can blow lilies, and not have any up for the tank buster.

They really didn't think a single thing through...

[Estriella_Faerie]

Thinking about it for the last few days, it finally hit me. Secret of the Lily is the perfect system... for conjurers ! Except we're not conjurers anymore, we're white mages.

Anyway, I've now gotten an AST weapon, and unless that system is changed before 4.0 launch, I guess I'll just switch class for now, until this flawed system is patched...

[Reiryuu]

Lucid Dreaming will at least cut enmity by half like Shroud of Saints did, but if WHM is going to be stacking Crit... heaven help those tanks because the over heal is going to nab it a ton. Crit WHM is a beast with aggro... and the second Lily trait encourages WHM to go full Crit if they're going to make use of lilies at all. >___< That's actually something I haven't seen touched on in this thread and it's bothered me quite a bit. :/

Added to the front page. o.ob

[Vrahjin]

Thinking about it for the last few days, it finally hit me. Secret of the Lily is the perfect system... for conjurers ! Except we're not conjurers anymore, we're white mages.

And for starting WHMs, as well. Did a leveling roulette with a friend the other day, got into Stone Vigil NM. As a WHM, what can I do? Stoneskin, Regen, Medica, Cure/Cure II. He pulled a lot so I used that Cure button when needed (which was quite a lot between all the ston(e)ing, eye for eyeing and stance dancing. Dragons hurt.). I can count on one hand how many Freecure procs I got over the ~25 minutes the dungeon took.

That is why this Lily nonsense is just that, nonsense. Even if a crit guarantees a Lily proc, it just isn't reliable enough. Certainly not to completely base two of our new skills on.

[KarstenS]

The spear effect is my biggest issue with the lillies. As they talked about more speed, I did expect it will give a spellspeed buff. That could be useful.

But reduced cooldowns based on RNG? In a raid everything I use is planned around the boss mechanics. How should the CD reduction be helpfull in any way? The cooldowns will run out earlier. But they will not get used earlier. Spear was the most useless card my AST could trow on me. And now I get an ability that do the same?

And the Lvl 70 skill is the biggest crap at all. In real raid situations, its in the best case nothing else than a secont Tetra at the MT. The way it works now there is absolute no reason to try to use it as a group heal. This could be a nice Cure 3 like OCD. But not the way it got implented.

[Kacho_Nacho]

What we are really lacking are the whys of the new Stormblood White Mage healing.

Why the shift to Cure I and II? Why the shift to random proc chances? Why are players being encouraged to intentionally overheal for a chance to proc a lily or a confession?

Why are the rewards for playing the proposed new Cure way so small compared to playing the current Regeneration way and casting Stone IV on the side? I'm sure there are more whys but the brain fog is thick this morning. Ugh.