Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**CrazyCapnMorgan** · 06-05-2017 08:42 PM

If they're going to take away Esuna, why not give WHM Dispel? Better yet, why not give WHM Dispel and have it react with the Lily system? Dispel would normally remove all debuffs from one ally or all buffs for one enemy, 1 lily would make Dispel stronger, making it remove all but mechanic buffs/debuffs, 2 lily Dispel would do that for either the entire party or all of the enemies and 3 lily Dispel would target EVERYTHING.

I've always thought SCH was mitigation and debuff healer, WHM was the regenerator and cleanser and AST was kinda both. Why SE doesn't give WHM a little love for more cleansing abilities is beyond me

EDIT: I like the Reflect idea as well, making it something akin to what Agrippa the Mighty and Hellsclaw do would be nice. Also, I think most, if not all, of us can agree that WHM has the best DPS out of the three healers. Outside of new DPS skills gained from leveling in SB, why not leave WHM DPS as it is and NOT have that interact with the Lily system? If SE truly is wanting to make WHM a "pure healer", let the Lily interact with just the healing spells. All of them, regens included.

**JedahJohnny** · 06-05-2017 08:55 PM

Here are my proposal:

- Retun the damage to Fluid Aura, please.
- Lily's System need a diferent way to stack... but more important to me is the effect that it give us, reduced recast timer is not enough and not worthing. So use lilys to power up another heals skill, or add a new skill that use them
- Confession Stack, is ok with the effect but need another way to stack also.
- Retun to us our Esuna or Shroud of Saint or Divine Seal our Protect, to dont need to choice between 5 X-Skill and left one.
- Lose mitigation because Stone Skill out. (we already use it in to many instances) Need back at least 1 mitigation. Please

Sorry for my bad english

**AlphaSonic** · 06-05-2017 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by CrazyCapnMorgan

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Actually it would be nice if Dispel was in this game. Imagine in game battles that sometimes the boss cast himself a damage buff or resistance buff for 30 seconds and being able to dispel it for your party. If you brought a WHM in your party you would be able to dispel and help your party making easier that part of the fight. (Also if the bosses were casting a resistance up buff a few times in a battle having a WHM dispelling that would count as a DPS buff for your party.)

**CrazyCapnMorgan** · 06-05-2017 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Actually it would be nice if Dispel was in this game. Imagine in game battles that sometimes the boss cast himself a damage buff or resistance buff for 30 seconds and being able to dispel it for your party. If you brought a WHM in your party you would be able to dispel and help your party making easier that part of the fight. (Also if the bosses were casting a resistance up buff a few times in a battle having a WHM dispelling that would count as a DPS buff for your party.)

Dispel, in and of itself would give the WHM so mcuh needed utility, ESPECIALLY if it interacted with the Lily system like I mentioned. Many 2.0 mobs used elemental buffs on them, and the only way to remove them was with MNKs 1IP and I wondered about Dispel back then. Missed opportunitites, I suppose. Astra is another one, though that's from FF Tactics on GameBoy, and that would allow debuff protection for one member for its duration.

**Xaen** · 06-05-2017 09:55 PM

Whm is far from dead in fact I think entirely the opposite.

So after reading a lot of this thread, I am personally not worried about WHM from what I have seen it gains a lot of new things that add to its already existing skill set.

Watch this: -

healme Harry Video

After watching this I have already started thinking of ways I can combine different skills to either increase the damage or output more healing.

Stance Dancing I won't miss you!

**rainblack** · 06-05-2017 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Xaen

So after reading a lot of this thread, I am personally not worried about WHM from what I have seen it gains a lot of new things that add to its already existing skill set.

It ends up with overall far less abilities in its skill set than it had before 4.0.

**KingFrost** · 06-05-2017 10:09 PM

Though brought up and sorta already a thing for other classes, why didn't the WHM get Haste? It's the absolute most iconic buff in the series and just so happens to be... White Magic!! Seems like a no-brainer. Just make it strong and simple (Moar speed, reduced cooldowns, movement speed boost), like the WHM should be.

Speaking of obvious iconic things, what about Pray? With phrases like Plenary Indulgence, Divine Bension and Confession, pray seems to fit very well. Perhaps make it channel that grants confession, lilies and a refresh for WHM. It's a little strong, but you would also not be healing or attacking. It suits the class's reliance on HoTs, and gets rid of healing gated by RNG.

Also, Bubble. TEMP HP. More lillies = more temp HP. (If you can't tell, I like this idea. XD)

**AlphaSonic** · 06-05-2017 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by KingFrost

Though brought up and sorta already a thing for other classes, why didn't the WHM get Haste? It's the absolute most iconic buff in the series and just so happens to be... White Magic!! Seems like a no-brainer. Just make it strong and simple (Moar speed, reduced cooldowns, movement speed boost), like the WHM should be (should be).

Haste, Reflect, Shell, Faith, Bravery, Dispel, Bubble even Berserk could be casted by WHM in older games.

**CrazyCapnMorgan** · 06-05-2017 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by KingFrost

Though brought up and sorta already a thing for other classes, why didn't the WHM get Haste? It's the absolute most iconic buff in the series and just so happens to be... White Magic!! Seems like a no-brainer. Just make it strong and simple (Moar speed, reduced cooldowns, movement speed boost), like the WHM should be (should be).

Because Astrologian is the healer that deals with time and space aspects? Also, WHM has a self Haste in the form of Presence of Mind, so I'm not worried about Haste much as a WHM main, myself. Aside from my Dispel and Astra idea mentioned above, I think WHM only lacks Lily system interacting with ALL of its heals in some way and a damage mitigation skill. If not Stoneskin, then Barrier or Wall would be my suggestion. However, I'm stumped as to how it would be implemented properly.

**Xaen** · 06-05-2017 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by rainblack

It ends up with overall far less abilities in its skill set than it had before 4.0.

if you had to choose shroud of saints or Thin Air which would you prefer? I personally would take thin Air over Saints any day.

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