Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**worldofneil** · 06-01-2017 11:36 AM

Also adding my voice to this thread at how distressing these changes for White Mage are.

**MisterLucie** · 06-01-2017 11:44 AM

Seriously though, it really bothers me that people can look at these changes and think "Oh it'll be fine on release."

No. These are core mechanic and job defining gameplay changes that can't be fixed with a potency tweak in a patch a few weeks out. They're forcing an RNG playstyle on a job that has never had to rely on RNG, in a role that values consistency over anything else. They're forcing a spammy hard cast single target playstyle on a job that has always excelled at AoE and HoTs. They're continuing to shove a niche of "throughput healer with no utility" upon us when that niche has been dead and irrelevant for a very long time now.

AND on top of undeniably making WHMs worse when they were already in a bad spot to begin with, they undeniably BUFF its two competitors.

People who really love their WHMs have every reason to be upset over these changes, and telling them to calm down and wait and see is both demeaning and incredibly naive.

**Shurrikhan** · 06-01-2017 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by MisterLucie

What is there to wait and see? We have all the abilities and how they interact with eachother. It's boatloads of RNG on a role that despises RNG, and more throughput on a job that needed utility and not throughput.

This. There is literally only one thing to wait for: corrected translations (since apparently the difference between a 10% healing buff from Diurnal and a 15% healing buff from Diurnal fall under localization nuances, as does whether Heat on MCH is a buff or a nerf.)

**AutumnsHollow** · 06-01-2017 11:53 AM

I thought the whole point of not adding a new tank/healer for Stormsblood was to actually balance our current tank and healers? You seem to have done a good job with tanks, but what about healers?

Scholar which has been mandatory since 2.0 is still probably going to have a fixed role in raids because of the fairy even if you boost aspected benefic to 300% (Which is a whole other can of worms...), and that was supposed to be fixed. Now they'll have an even better buff then battle litany + battle litany works with it.

Ever since balance was buffed in 3.4 people have been complaining about lack of utility and identity on white mage and how can it compete with astro for a healer spot. This is your response to that? What's the point of even being a "pure healer" if other healers actually heal more then us?

I sincerely doubt that SE can actually fix this by the 16th, but we'll see. I'm so disheartened by this news. I was so excited for new toys to play around with and to have two of those toys locked behind an RNG fest supporting a subpar play style is so underwhelming.

**JunseiKei** · 06-01-2017 11:59 AM

Possibly posted elsewhere on these forums:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._japanese_and/

Basically, a lot of skill effects were translated incorrectly or were backwards.

**Powercow** · 06-01-2017 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Basically, a lot of skill effects were translated incorrectly or were backwards.

Not the white mage ones, though.

**Niroken** · 06-01-2017 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

This. There is literally only one thing to wait for: corrected translations (since apparently the difference between a 10% healing buff from Diurnal and a 15% healing buff from Diurnal fall under localization nuances, as does whether Heat on MCH is a buff or a nerf.)

Apparently all the WHM skills are the same in Japanese as they are in English or so says the Reddit thread with those translations.

**JunseiKei** · 06-01-2017 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Powercow

Not the white mage ones, though.

It was more a stab at people saying that things are cemented and won't change. When lo, some of the tooltips were already incorrect.

**MisterLucie** · 06-01-2017 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by JunseiKei

It was more a stab at people saying that things are cemented and won't change. When lo, some of the tooltips were already incorrect.

If you'll notice, though, the tooltips that were incorrect were merely number differences. Those are easy changes. The issue with the WHM changes isn't an easily fixed potency one.

**Powercow** · 06-01-2017 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by JunseiKei

It was more a stab at people saying that things are cemented and won't change. When lo, some of the tooltips were already incorrect.

That's fair. The problem is that most of the changes are tiny little changes -- like Riddle of Fire being 30% damage boost with 15% slow rather than 20%/30% respectively. The problems with the new WHM design aren't as easily solved as "oh it's now 30% chance when you cast Cure or Cure II".

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