Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

First off, you only build these resources off of Cure and Cure II. Your very BASIC heals. The secondary stat being even worse because only the person you heal gets a confession stack, meaning people without confessions stacks simply aren't healed.

How is this any good at all? It's locked behind way too much RNG that requires you to slam the most basic heals. Meanwhile both SCH and AST gets massive utility updates. Do you have any idea what this is going to do to their raid relevance? Hell they're not even fun to play in dungeons at this rate.

Alright. I don't main healer, so I'll concede to an extent. But I would personally prefer the new self buffs to the new utilities that the others get. It's just an opinion, but people going as far as to say delete WHM or it's useless? Come the %#*^ on. No one is going to turn down a healer.

Remember when HW launched and everyone said WAR was useless because they just got a bunch of DPS skills, but they're amazing?
Remember when AST and SCH were both "underpowered" so they buffed them?
I'm sure WHM will surprise a lot of people. If not, then they'll be readjusted when enough people don't stop complaining.

Originally Posted by Yorumi

Considering you're over on the tank forum whining about drk, and we know in HW plds and whms were refused parties for high end content, do you think that maybe, just maybe people will be turning down whm? No I'm sure everyone is going to prefer pure overheal potency to party wide damage buffs and high utility while maintaining almost the exact same heal potency.

Re-read above. Also I said that the new animations and removal of current skills was underwhelming. I never chastised the class as a whole like this entire thread is doing.

I know someone that mains AST (who says WHM sounds amazing but still prefers AST because WHM is basic ;p), and I have a SCH I backup heal as, even if the ilvl is garbage. WHM's new kit sounds fun compared to the current, and doesn't seem useless. But I'm not 70, and I'm not raiding, and neither is anyone else here.

I think all classes will make it into raids. Are you in a hardcore FC? You probably won't main WHM. Are you pugging? People aren't going to turn you away, and if they do, make some friends and play the class you want. MCH, AST, SCH, and MNK all went through the same thing.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to that thread to complain about the two new DRK skills, and the fact that Paladins get a nuke, more dps, and magic mitigation.

Originally Posted by Xylas

I know someone that mains AST (who says WHM sounds amazing and he wants to switch to it now), and I have a SCH I backup heal as, even if the ilvl is garbage. WHM's new kit sounds fun compared to the current, and doesn't seem useless. But I'm not 70, and I'm not raiding, and neither is anyone else here.

My lot are kind of soso about the changes as a whole. The concencus in general seems to be that it could still go in any direction depending both on final last minute tweaks (Which I assume there will be some given SCH's underwhelming values) and of course the healer checks that Omega throws at us. My co healer's (Who I'd happily argue is one of the best SCHs on the server) opinion is that SCH is going to be dull with how simplified it's DPS in both single target and especially aoe situations.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

My lot are kind of soso about the changes as a whole. The concencus in general seems to be that it could still go in any direction depending both on final last minute tweaks (Which I assume there will be some given SCH's underwhelming values) and of course the healer checks that Omega throws at us. My co healer's (Who I'd happily argue is one of the best SCHs on the server) opinion is that SCH is going to be dull with how simplified it's DPS in both single target and especially aoe situations.

This is something I can get behind. You're not even defending what I've said, but you're providing feedback that isn't overly negative. I'm glad you took the time to give your input.

SCH looks lazy... Tether Eos to the tank. Adloqium. Galvanize (if that even still exists). AFK for a drink. Come back and Adloqium again.
I already have a hard time staying interested when I play it.

All of the following is written from a raiding perspective. I don't care how WHMs are in dungeons.

1. ASTs are getting a free 900 potency AoE heal, better than Assize. ASTs are also getting a new 500 potency cure and 15% boost to healing across the board in diurnal stance.

2. Diurnal AST is now equal to, if not better than, WHMs in terms of raw healing.

3. ASTs still have unnerfed cards and a new ability that gives more cards per 120s.

4. WHM's lily mechanic is procced by Cure 1, and Cure 2, two healing spells where you actually ACTIVELY want to use as little as possible. The majority of your heals comes from Regen, Tetragrammaton, and Medica II. Yet the lily mechanic is tied with heals you don't want to use.

5. WHM's lily mechanic is RNG-heavy. So on top of not wanting to cast Cure1/Cure2 too much in the first place, you might not even get lilies since the chance is 20%.

6. WHM's Lv70 AoE heal ability is procced based on another layer of RNG.

Now,

- WHM's heals are based on RNG (AST's **utility** is RNG but not their heals)

- WHM's system actually encourages you to overheal, waste GCDs that could've been used to deal damage, and play unoptimally to make full use of it

- WHM's heals are actually worse than Diurnal ASTs potency-wise

Square Enix, what were you thinking?

BTW, I've looked at other jobs on MTQcapture and was really impressed and excited about the changes. Really love the PLD abilities. So this clearly isn't an issue with them being unable to balance jobs. It seems that their vision for WHM is completely wrong from the very foundation which is why no amount of balance is going to fix it unless they got rid of that vision.