





Reiryuu
One problem with lilies and devine benision.
It's a personal experience (Susano, Lakshmi EX)
Let's say a tank buster is about to come.
I'd like to use devine benision. Unfortunetaly, I have no lily. So I'd like to cast a Cure II to get one and shield the MT. However, my MT is full life (and other member of the party as well), so I won't proc any lily and won't be able to use Divine Benision.
=> The fact that procing lilies only works if your target has HP to be healed is a problem, based on the example I wrote above.
Last edited by KDSilver; 07-01-2017 at 11:49 PM.
FFS will they ever make our damn weapons at least face the right way
After Playing WHM in susano ex and lakshmi ex for the last week here are my suggestions:
1. Remove the damn lilies. I never even look at them. I just immediately press benison after a Cure II. Just put benison on a 30 sec cast time and be done with it or incorporate the shield into Cure II via a trait.
2. Instead of your funny Lillies you could have given me a Job Gauge that keeps track of all the Regen Timers. That would at least be worth looking at.
3. Plenary Indulgence is completely useless. Might as well give me a trait that gives me the chance to reset the recast timer of tetragramation on a cure crit. Same effect and you don't need to implement a useless mechanic to do so.
4. Why for the love of god can i see another WHM's confession stacks? In the rare occasion that I actually use them I have to double check if the stack is even mine. Did your QA team actually play this game beyond a story dungeon?
5. I have too much mana regen. Yes that actually needs to be nerfed. I can die mid fight in susano ex and end up with full mana a minute later while playing normally. A DPS on the other hand is completely useless after a death. How is that fair?


I would recommend that you hold back on such statements until after we have experienced Omega Savage. I have a feeling that Savage healing is going to require a lot of healing.After Playing WHM in susano ex and lakshmi ex for the last week here are my suggestions:
5. I have too much mana regen. Yes that actually needs to be nerfed. I can die mid fight in susano ex and end up with full mana a minute later while playing normally. A DPS on the other hand is completely useless after a death. How is that fair?
SE,
Please regard this as an assessment performed after completing currently existing end game content. Despite what many posters are stating, I think that you actually executed a few things well. The outgoing damage and the control over MP is fantastic. Divine Benison can be a great ability when our tanks are not wearing item level 270 strength accessories. Please, don't burn everything to the ground like I see some posters requesting. Instead, considering the following major tweaks:
- Patch 4.01 was an improvement to lilies. However, it is still an issue that you cannot reliably shield tank busters on demand. If anyone tops off the tank prior to your Cure finishing, you will not generate a lily. This can be resolved by either reducing the base lily cost of Divine Benison to 0 or by separating Divine Benison from the lily gauge.
- The current chance for a Confession to be generated (20%) is too small to make use of everything else that you designed into Plenary Indulgence. At this rate, we may occasionally get 1 Confession on 1 target. We may or may not notice that it is there to begin with. If we notice within the 30 seconds before it expires, we can try to redeem it if an opportunity happens to arise, which is not always the case. I can see the parallels between Plenary Indulgence and Lady of Crowns. The current version of Plenary Indulgence is lacking because it is not obtained at the rate of Lady of Crowns and because Confessions expire unlike Lady of Crowns. In a good party for the extreme primals, WHM uses Cure about as frequently as an AST uses Minor Arcana. I would then logically conclude that Confessions should at least have the 50% chance to be generated every 30 seconds like Lady of Crowns does. To handle the Confession expiration issue, I would either remove the expiration timer or increase the chance for Confessions to be generated to even higher.
Also, please consider this minor tweak:
- Divine Benison would be absolutely fine as an ability with a 30 second recast that lilies had no effect on if we could use it while having 0 lilies.
Last edited by Mahkii; 07-05-2017 at 12:51 AM. Reason: Edited after reviewing patch 4.01 changes


After a handful of dungeons with my now 70 WHM, I feel I can finally give input on Plenary Indulgence without mimicking what I've read.
I should be a lawyer, with the amount of confessions I get. I kid you not, I've gotten several stacks of 3 confessions on tanks and maybe 1 or 2 on a DPS on a fairly regular basis. That said, the heal of PI is absolute weak sauce. Even with 3 stacks, the heal is absolute garbage and hits for about as strong as Tetra is normally. The timer on confessions also needs to go. RNG heals should NOT be a thing, let alone RNG heals that can fail because of some arbitrary time limit on them.
The skill needs a lot of work honestly, because even in the impossible case that you were able to get 3 Stacks of Confessions on every single player in your group without a single 1 falling off before hitting PI, the fact is that you're better off using Medica as an AOE heal because Medica is a more cost effective and reliable heal. If nothing else, I'd prefer if PI became a buff to the Lily mechanic and using PI would enhance the next ability that drained Lilies. Using Assize would have better healing/damage or even spread the 10% MP restore to other people in the group, Tetra becomes a guaranteed crit, etc.
There is no ability or trait from level 60 to level 70 that has the potential power to justify the amount of gates they have on them currently.
Would Benson be even a little overpowered if they removed lily usage? No
Would PI be that horrible unbalanced if they removed the confession timers? NO
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