Samurai Discussion

[Arkdra]

Yes you would always use the dot on anything that's going to live for a fair chunk of it. Sen is a resource. 1 sen is effectively 20 kenki. Higanbana is 940 potency for 20 kenki which is crazy efficient. Kaiten'd Midare is effectively 80 kenki for 1080 which is pretty overpriced for what it is.

Confused why people are looking to add Enbi to their basic rotation. The value of Yaten and Gyoten is the ability to maintain dps uptime, not procing an attack that will do about 70 more potency for nearly 3 times the cost, nevermind that yaten and gyoten themselves are kenki inefficient in terms of damage dealt. Plus however many auto's you miss.

Like, they're good skills for dodging AE and getting back in there and maintaining some semblance of dps when you otherwise would be dealing none, but as part of a standard opener or something you'd want to be doing on cooldown? Even on fights where the tp cost wouldn't be an issue, I don't see it.

[ShaolinMike]

Confused why people are looking to add Enbi to their basic rotation. The value of Yaten and Gyoten is the ability to maintain dps uptime, not procing an attack that will do about 70 more potency for nearly 3 times the cost, nevermind that yaten and gyoten themselves are kenki inefficient in terms of damage dealt. Plus however many auto's you miss.

Like, they're good skills for dodging AE and getting back in there and maintaining some semblance of dps when you otherwise would be dealing none, but as part of a standard opener or something you'd want to be doing on cooldown? Even on fights where the tp cost wouldn't be an issue, I don't see it.

I thought the same thing.

[Yorumi]

Confused why people are looking to add Enbi to their basic rotation. The value of Yaten and Gyoten is the ability to maintain dps uptime, not procing an attack that will do about 70 more potency for nearly 3 times the cost, nevermind that yaten and gyoten themselves are kenki inefficient in terms of damage dealt. Plus however many auto's you miss.

Enhanced enbi is 300 potency and gives 10 keniki. The full combo is 500 potency for a net cost of 10 keniki. The potency cost of each keniki is based on shinten which is 300 potency for 25 keniki. The enbi combo works out to a dps increase but of course you're paying in tp. The reddit thread goes over the math better than I can but the conclusion there is that the combo is a dps increase.

Still wish I had someone who could better do the math than me and see if the dot is worth using. I think it is, cause why have it otherwise, but I don't know for sure.

[Arkdra]

Enhanced enbi is 300 potency and gives 10 keniki. The full combo is 500 potency for a net cost of 10 keniki. The potency cost of each keniki is based on shinten which is 300 potency for 25 keniki. The enbi combo works out to a dps increase but of course you're paying in tp. The reddit thread goes over the math better than I can but the conclusion there is that the combo is a dps increase.

Enhanced enbi is about 70 more potency than the average potency of your GCD's. Which is the issue with just using it, you are barely doing more damage than you would playing more standard for a drastically increased tp cost and it becomes an immediate huge dps loss if you need to dodge an ae that would otherwise prevent you from attacking and you have to just walk in and out of it like a peasant because Yaten and Gyoten are on cooldown.

I did forget that enbi itself generated 10 kenki though so I will be more inclined to use it on fights where I know that AE and TP issues won't come up.