Samurai Discussion

[Yorumi]

The one the reddit thread didn't cover that I want to know about is the dot. It's lower potency than midare(unless kaiten works on the dot effect too) and while I can theorycraft decently I'm not the best at it, so it's hard to know if it's ever worth using.

[ShaolinMike]

The one the reddit thread didn't cover that I want to know about is the dot. It's lower potency than midare(unless kaiten works on the dot effect too) and while I can theorycraft decently I'm not the best at it, so it's hard to know if it's ever worth using.

It's higher. The total potency over time is 940. Midare is 720

[Yorumi]

It's higher. The total potency over time is 940. Midare is 720

You're never using midare without kaiten so midare is 1080.

[Arkdra]

Yes you would always use the dot on anything that's going to live for a fair chunk of it. Sen is a resource. 1 sen is effectively 20 kenki. Higanbana is 940 potency for 20 kenki which is crazy efficient. Kaiten'd Midare is effectively 80 kenki for 1080 which is pretty overpriced for what it is.

Confused why people are looking to add Enbi to their basic rotation. The value of Yaten and Gyoten is the ability to maintain dps uptime, not procing an attack that will do about 70 more potency for nearly 3 times the cost, nevermind that yaten and gyoten themselves are kenki inefficient in terms of damage dealt. Plus however many auto's you miss.

Like, they're good skills for dodging AE and getting back in there and maintaining some semblance of dps when you otherwise would be dealing none, but as part of a standard opener or something you'd want to be doing on cooldown? Even on fights where the tp cost wouldn't be an issue, I don't see it.

[ShaolinMike]

Confused why people are looking to add Enbi to their basic rotation. The value of Yaten and Gyoten is the ability to maintain dps uptime, not procing an attack that will do about 70 more potency for nearly 3 times the cost, nevermind that yaten and gyoten themselves are kenki inefficient in terms of damage dealt. Plus however many auto's you miss.

Like, they're good skills for dodging AE and getting back in there and maintaining some semblance of dps when you otherwise would be dealing none, but as part of a standard opener or something you'd want to be doing on cooldown? Even on fights where the tp cost wouldn't be an issue, I don't see it.

I thought the same thing.

[Yorumi]

Confused why people are looking to add Enbi to their basic rotation. The value of Yaten and Gyoten is the ability to maintain dps uptime, not procing an attack that will do about 70 more potency for nearly 3 times the cost, nevermind that yaten and gyoten themselves are kenki inefficient in terms of damage dealt. Plus however many auto's you miss.

Enhanced enbi is 300 potency and gives 10 keniki. The full combo is 500 potency for a net cost of 10 keniki. The potency cost of each keniki is based on shinten which is 300 potency for 25 keniki. The enbi combo works out to a dps increase but of course you're paying in tp. The reddit thread goes over the math better than I can but the conclusion there is that the combo is a dps increase.

Still wish I had someone who could better do the math than me and see if the dot is worth using. I think it is, cause why have it otherwise, but I don't know for sure.

[mosaicex]

Enhanced enbi is 300 potency and gives 10 keniki. The full combo is 500 potency for a net cost of 10 keniki. The potency cost of each keniki is based on shinten which is 300 potency for 25 keniki. The enbi combo works out to a dps increase but of course you're paying in tp. The reddit thread goes over the math better than I can but the conclusion there is that the combo is a dps increase.

Still wish I had someone who could better do the math than me and see if the dot is worth using. I think it is, cause why have it otherwise, but I don't know for sure.

Did they factor in the fact that you're not working towards gaining any Sen during this rotation?

[Tsilyi]

or autoattacking potentially

[PROBOUND]

Once i find out where the POT should go i'll update the imgr.

[Yorumi]

Did they factor in the fact that you're not working towards gaining any Sen during this rotation?

You can look in the reddit thread, link is a few pages back. It looks like the conclusion is it's a minor dps increase.What I take away from all of it is SAM is complicated(i like that) and maximizing dps is going to take some effort.