Samurai Discussion

[Daioh]

As for why I didn't weave in more Hissatsu,you are free to do so(Mainly using Hissatsu: Shinten),but you might possibly want to time WHEN you use them with who you have in your party. "Example: You have a Ninja in your party you would try to squeeze them in during "Trick Attack" Just make sure you never waste any Kenki by hitting 100,I only added Hissatsu if the next GCD would've hit the 100 cap or if it was Kaiten for the 50% damage increase.
Also with pointing out is I used Hissatsu: Guren in the opener,but it largely depends on whether or not there will be multiple targets to hit with in the next 2 mins? If yes then rather save Guren for when they appear,if no then use Guren,which does more damage then two Shinten which costs the same amount of Kenki

This opener will take roughly about 30-35 secs

[Daioh]

After reaching Midare Setsugekka it's about priority:
Which of Jinpu,Shifu,and Yuikikaze's buffs are closer to falling off?
Is Higanbana's DoT almost done? If yes then get 1 Sen to put it back up.
When you get 3 Sen is Hagakure ready or almost ready and do you have 40 or less Kenki? If yes then use Hagakure,if no then use Midare Setsugekka instead while ALWAYS using it with Hissatsu: Kaiten

Special notes:
Iaijutsu does NOT break combos. "Example: You open 3 Sen for Midare Setsugekka but Jinpu's 15% Damage up falls off,you could do Hakaze > Jinpu > Midare Setsugekka > Gekko(Getsu Sen opens)"
Starry Eyes might possibly only cost 15 Kenki according to the Japanese tooltip + players experence. Based on the "5 Kenki=60 Potency" rule then Starry Eyes would be better to use over Hissatsu: Shinten. If it is 25 Kenki then there's no point to use it

[PROBOUND]

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Great opener theory. I'm working on an XIVRotations image capture based on it in photoshop to help visualize as these Japanese names probably make others head spin as well. Where would you insert the POT in this opener?

[Coltvoyance]

It is interesting in the Reddit post his response on Yaten,Enbi,Gyoten (YEG). He's correct that the tooltip says "Bonus" potency 300 as if it's in addition to the 100 making it a 400 potency move and the combo itself 600. Which would make it very worthwhile in rotations, TP permitting.

We'll have to see how things really are on the 16th.

[mosaicex]

It is interesting in the Reddit post his response on Yaten,Enbi,Gyoten (YEG). He's correct that the tooltip says "Bonus" potency 300 as if it's in addition to the 100 making it a 400 potency move and the combo itself 600. Which would make it very worthwhile in rotations, TP permitting.

We'll have to see how things really are on the 16th.

The Japanese tooltip just says "Enbi effect up (which you get from executing Yaten) potency : 300 "

The English might be worded weirdly, but it's just that, potency from having enhanced Enbi = 300. The current 3 MCH's weaponskill tooltips also have this kind of weird wording regarding ammo's effect and bonus potency.

[Yorumi]

The one the reddit thread didn't cover that I want to know about is the dot. It's lower potency than midare(unless kaiten works on the dot effect too) and while I can theorycraft decently I'm not the best at it, so it's hard to know if it's ever worth using.

[ShaolinMike]

The one the reddit thread didn't cover that I want to know about is the dot. It's lower potency than midare(unless kaiten works on the dot effect too) and while I can theorycraft decently I'm not the best at it, so it's hard to know if it's ever worth using.

It's higher. The total potency over time is 940. Midare is 720

[Yorumi]

It's higher. The total potency over time is 940. Midare is 720

You're never using midare without kaiten so midare is 1080.

[Leonus]

You're never using midare without kaiten so midare is 1080.

If you are in a predicament where you have 3 kenki and no kaiten, should you convert them and fire off 3 shintens instead? It's more of a potency gain than an unbuffed mandare. I haven't seen too many mentions of shinten.

[Herokoon]

If you are in a predicament where you have 3 kenki and no kaiten, should you convert them and fire off 3 shintens instead?

Shinten, and Hagakure have been on plenty of people's radar, it just took us a few days to find some semblance of a basic structure, many people I believe think Midare Setsugekka is samurai's core "mechanic", "function", or "gimmick" when in fact its Hagakure, and Shinten, and your preemptive mindfulness of your Kenki, and yes I absolutely agree with you, if for whatever reason your Hagakure is coming off of cool-down, and you are sitting on sen at the very same moment, but only have 3-5 Kenki, its absolutely worth it to expend it on Shintens obviously weaved within your combos as you start to go through your buff upkeep, and work towards another Iajutsu, whether its your DoT upkeep, or a Midare.