Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Saraphin]

The issue being, that AST (as it's been proven) can heal better than WHMs because of buffs (some of which they are now getting in the CC stuff).

i'm not being antagonistic, so don't take it that way. I talk to AST mains and they've raged more than me over the changes. I'm wary and not exactly keen on the changes. I don't like the gated-ness, the RNG-ness and overall the fact that WHMs were already fairly shunned (I've been kicked from dungeons because i was running stuff on WHM) for many things. it's created a bit of bitterness and with all that's going on, I'm not saying I don't hate them (now that i've cooled off and stared wide eyed at my AST and SCH friends raging about WHM changes) but...i'm very, very leery about the changes and how it will effect things overall.

[Hikuras]

Are we sure KisaiTenshi isn't an alt and she actually does have a 60 whm somewhere and is only posting on an alt account due to a ban or something? Cause it could be that?

[floofuf]

Are we sure KisaiTenshi isn't an alt and she actually does have a 60 whm somewhere and is only posting on an alt account due to a ban or something? Cause it could be that?

She still isn't making sense either way.

[fantasticm]

Edited my post because I took a gander at said poster's profile and felt a little mean.

It looks like they've come back after a hiatus, WHM is their only class and it's in Yasha/ Gordian gear, so they likely haven't played much of anything past the original HW MSQ as far as level 60 content goes.

Ehhhh I wouldn't worry too much about it. KisaiTenshi is troll-tier. Just take a peek at her posting history. I had to take a shower after that. If she's not a troll, then she does legit believe Cure/Cure II are the WHM's bread and butter, and that Regen/Medica II are more 'extra tools,' or something. But hey, I guess if you can clear MSQ by only using Cure II, it makes sense that some people would feel that way about the job. I think. Perhaps. Maybe???????????

[TheAngelneer]

Are we sure KisaiTenshi isn't an alt and she actually does have a 60 whm somewhere and is only posting on an alt account due to a ban or something? Cause it could be that?

Alt or no alt, it is plain obvious by this point that she can't into WHM.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Tank busters happen pretty frequently in my opinion o.O Not to mention, again that we still don't know what Stormblood content holds and could VERY well require many tank busters to be healed. Also, if you don't have to cast cure II on a frequent basis as a main healer in end game content (We're not talking Zurvan here, that ain't end game :P ), then I feel bad for any cohealers you have that could be pure dpsing instead :X (Though to be fair we also have echo atm and loads more gear than we did when savage was first released so even if Stormblood stayed the same, which I don't believe it will, then we can't compare it to the game in it's current state)

Even if the frequency or damage calculations increase, Astro remains stronger at both healing and utility. Keep in mind, you'll need to cast an average of 15 GCDs-- approximately 38 seconds -- just to stack three Lilies. That means throughout those 38 seconds, you cannot use Asylum, Tetragrammation, Assize or Divine Benison. How often does that honestly occur because in my own experience, I have never once gone that long without using at least one of those abilities. The Lily mechanic is essentially Spear. How many people actually like that card? There's a reason it's considered Royal Road fodder. Cooldown reduction just... isn't a valued mechanic. At least not at such low amounts. 4% is worthless; 10% is barely noticeable and even 20% is only decent. People pre-plan their cooldowns.

The only way this system is salvageable is if Lilies can be accumulated through Medica, Medica II, Stone IV and Regen. Let White Mage drown in cooldown reduction. It's still not Astro levels of amazing, but at least they would be visible enough.

[Gemina]

First off, I want to say thank you for reading between the lines of the information given to us thus far. I seriously felt all alone with my thoughts on WHM and the potential it brings into 4.0.

I won't deny that it lacks utility. I won't deny that the lily system is questionable at best right now. But I absolutely refuse to follow a herd of doomsayers before the expansion is even released. When I look at the changes to WHM, the lily gauge is the furthest thing from my mind. I am far more curious about the best role skills to equip, and if I can actually leave our previous innate abilities behind.

I never expected any additional utility to ramp up other player's dmg as soon as they mentioned they want WHM to return to its original identity as a pure healer. I also anticipated WHM would lose any ability it had to mitigate damage. Somehow, everyone thought SE was joking? I saw it as a challenge to the devs to find another way to get WHM back in business, and DMG seems to be the route they took.

I don't do savage content. So I am a bit on the outside looking in when it comes to the demanded utility. However, what I believe any hardcore raider would state is that in order for WHM to be competitive with DMG alone, it needs to be able to provide the boosts to the other players that the other two healers bring to the raid through its own toolkit. Obviously, we have to start compiling numbers to see what an optimized WHM is dishing out, but the potential is there, and I can hear it screaming in my face. WHM may have lost its mitigation skills, but I believe we all agree on one of the best forms of damage mitigation: By causing lots of damage so things die quickly. Strangely, this seems to have been forgotten in the last 48 hours.

SCH is my other main, and I can't even begin to express how much more excited I am for WHM than SCH. The lily system isn't carved in stone. It will VERY likely get adjustments in future patches, but right now I believe the devs are just playing it safe to make sure they don't OP WHM. It's one thing to develop and test new abilities, and a whole other pizza when it is released to the playerbase who will find loopholes to make it work, or completely leave it in the dust. It wouldn't be the first time SE released something that was dead on arrival. We just have to wait.

Lastly is the context of "Pure healer". I am not so certain that it means a healer only heals and that is it. But I can see where the devs are going with getting WHMs to use cure and cure 2 more. Its just making content where they need to do it without making our other two healers inadequate. Without Stoneskin, we may very well have to begin trash pulls by getting a tank back to a healthy state, which will provide an opening opportunity to get some lilies before you stack your regens. Try to start thinking how to optimize this new system, instead of throwing it in the trash before it is even released.

[Reiryuu]

I don't mean to be a jerk or anything, but couldn't this have gone in any one of the 5 other threads? >.>;

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-4.0-have-been

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Needs-for-4.0

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...uff-Change-WHM

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-In-Stormblood

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ics-for-WHM%21

[KisaiTenshi]

Only lazy person I see here is you. You are too lazy to think about how WHM skills interact with each other and make WHM much greater than Cure/Cure II. The party wide healing potential you can bring to the table while maintaining high personal DPS is no joke, but instead of learning that you prefer to just repeat your “Yoshi-P intended” delusional talk.

If only 2% of the players are clearing the raids, then clearly 2% is not the majority of the player base. They aren't clearing them because of this toxic attitude by players touting the BiS gear and one-true-dps-rotation, and bullying players who aren't playing their way. The forum isn't even representative of the majority of the playerbase, just the loudest.

As evidence from this thread, and a several other threads, you all would rather try an insult and bully me than actually maybe consider that there is another way to play, and that is what Yoshi-P encourages.

[fantasticm]

Do not reply to the bait!

Think instead about happy things, like SE buffing WHM in 4.1 to actually not-trash-tier. SE if you are reading this... PLEASE. Give us back our tool kit.