Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

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Benediction will no longer be as unique with the loss of Cleric Stance. Before it was the only heal able to cut through Cleric Stance. Now it's just a full heal with a annoying delay and a ridiculous CD.
Cure III is, to put it bluntly, useless in nearly all content. It barely saw a use in savage Creator. You just never really needed it.

Tetra is simply a insta heal. Same as Lustrate and Essential. Fluid Aura is just extra damage. Not unwelcome, but let's not pretend it's special. Aero III and Assize are unique though. But hold on that, because the AST spell in that trailer looked a looot like AOE Combust >_>

That leaves us with Assize. Our only ability no one has anything like...And I can BET you it's getting nerfed. No way its going untouched with the cleric stance changes.

I know this sounds real negative and all, but I'm looking at things realistically, not hoping SE delivers something good to us.

[Sebazy]

Agreed for the most part, I will add though, cure 3 has had it's moments in the sun before, both in ARR and HW.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Agreed for the most part, I will add though, cure 3 has had it's moments in the sun before, both in ARR and HW.

It has it's moments, but like it was mentioned before, SE wants content that can be cleared by any composition.
So while Cure III can be helpful, it's never truly needed for anything. Nidhogg Ahk Morn, J waves, Mega Holy etc. all can be healed with less GCDs with Cure III, but it can just as well be healed by Helios+ Collective unconscious and succor spam. Possibly with less MP used to boot.

In the end, Cure III is yet again, extra healing that is mostly unneeded. That's the entire WHM identity wrapped up nicely for you. Lot of extra heals, none of it is needed.

[Cynfael]

Maybe I'll be the only one surprised if Assize isn't nerfed. I don't see it as a big deal if the skill can both heal and deal damage effectively at the same time considering that it's on a 90 second cooldown. It's more likely that WHMs will continue to use it virtually on CD for MP and for added damage in the majority of situations, so it will be mostly the same thing but with additional overheal.

[Sebazy]

I solo healed Titan EX within the first week of it's release, cure 3 was absolutely required.

And to counter the 'WHM's extra HPS isn't required argument; correct me if I'm wrong here, but balance isn't required in current content either right?

(And yes, I appreciate that extra DPS is far more desirable than extra HPS)

[Reiryuu]

Seriously this. Yes, we don't know much about what WHM is getting, but from what we've seen along with what Yoshi said, we can assume we're getting little to no utility, and a lot of the same stuff. New ways to heal, some barriers that I hope to god are better than what a SCH can do with a critical because if it's goi to take up 3 lilies >_> I'm almost certain it's going to be something like a 10% barrier though. 15% if we're lucky. And people will say that's balanced because we have big heals, even though it'll prove to be as horribly underwhelming as Stoneskin...

Let's not forget- SCH will cry if Adloquium doesn't overwrite the whm shields because shielding is a part of their identity. And ASTs probably will too. Especially if our lily shields suck... which they probably will =/

[Reiryuu]

I solo healed Titan EX within the first week of it's release, cure 3 was absolutely required.

And to counter the 'WHM's extra HPS isn't required argument; correct me if I'm wrong here, but balance isn't required in current content either right?

(And yes, I appreciate that extra DPS is far more desirable than extra HPS)

Extra HPS does nothing for a group-- you can't "overheal" people at max HP. Extra DPS goes quite a bit further especially since with an AST you have that option, with a WHM you don't.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I solo healed Titan EX within the first week of it's release, cure 3 was absolutely required.

And to counter the 'WHM's extra HPS isn't required argument; correct me if I'm wrong here, but balance isn't required in current content either right?

(And yes, I appreciate that extra DPS is far more desirable than extra HPS)

No, Balance Isn't required, but you answered your own question on why it's still more preferable in your parenthesis.

Basically, what would you like? Damage and added mitigation, or overhealing? That's the choice you make between WHM and AST right now.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Let's not forget- SCH will cry if Adloquium doesn't overwrite the whm shields because shielding is a part of their identity. And ASTs probably will too. Especially if our lily shields suck... which they probably will =/

Barriers aren't part of our identity, so there's no way in hell they'll be stronger than anything a SCH can do.
So with that being said, why make it take up all of our new resource?.
This is going to be interesting...

[Sebazy]

In the case of the Titan EX solo heal, it enabled us to run a 2/1/5 and eventually 1/1/6 with some practice. AST's inability to catch up with the slightest mistake in early Gordias showed just how finely tuned it's HPS was as well. In both these cases, the extra HPS achieved something.

It's less useful in optimal play, no one with any sense is going to dispute that. But to say it's utterly worthless is shortsighted, in less optimal play it makes healing easier. It's an option and an alternative route even if it might not be an especially decent one at the moment, this is something this game doesn't offer nearly enough off imo.

And on the Assize thing, I'm pretty confident that we will see the opposite and that it's going to be a key ability of WHMs. It's raw potency throughput personified and suits the 'pure healer' ethos that SE are preaching. It's going to be very powerful come 4.0 imo.