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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    It's like saying "One Bunch of Apples: $8.99" with fine print at One Bunch = 6 apples. Where the standard is one bunch = 8 apples. Yes.

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    It isn't in fine print though, by any standard it's in plain sight and about as unsubtle as you can get in text communication.

    While I'd certainly be willing to argue that "A subscription means you get everything they produce ever" isn't the standard the definition, I don't have to.

    Even if we just outright accept the idea that simply selling access to the servers on a month-by-month is some bizarre exception to the general rules, they're clearly calling that out in a pronounced and unobfuscated way.

    It's in bold, underlined all caps text. The third sentence calls for the consumer to
    PLEASE READ THIS USER AGREEMENT CAREFULLY.
    Heck they call special attention the section that covers transactions in more detail:
    Your special attention is directed to Section 4, which concerns the auto-renewing subscription process.
    If we assume* that the deal square is cutting with players here is non-standard, what counts as sufficient notification of that non-standard deal? Why are the current notifications insufficient as to be considered honest?
    (*and this is an assumption for the sake of argument, not a point I'm conceding)
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    Last edited by HPDelron; 05-31-2017 at 05:35 AM.

  2. #102
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    Dudes. The price is completely ridiculous, I agree.

    If you don't like it, then don't buy it and then the prices will go down. If enough people don't mind the cost and do buy the items then the cost will most likely stay the same.

    This is pretty basic stuff here.
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    You're a warrior of light and can't even defeat Twintania with a 20% echo buff? Thanks for the offer but I'll find someone else to save the world.

  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Because you paid them to be able to install the expansion and be able to pay for subscription to play 4.0 content?
    That is literally incentivizing them to develop expansions...
    And that is literally incentivizing them to develop content updates. Mechanics... Systems... Animations... Items... All content.

    Our subs fund content.
    That's how money works.
    They don't throw the bank notes into an incinerator once the sub ticks over.
    (2)
    ~sigh~

  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    That is literally incentivizing them to develop expansions...
    And that is literally incentivizing them to develop content updates. Mechanics... Systems... Animations... Items... All content.
    SE orders them to develop expansions and they pay for it. With their own money.
    It's not your money anymore, nor do you have a contract with them about what it has to be used for.
    And it's up to SE to make sure that enough people buy the expansion and buy playtime to make their money back and as much extra money as they think they need to do whatever they want. Therefore they pay for content (updates).

    If it's not enough content for you, it's up to you to quit. But has ammount of free content really changed?
    Our subs fund content.
    That's how money works.
    They don't throw the bank notes into an incinerator once the sub ticks over.
    You pay your sub to play the game. From the point they have your money and you can connect to the server and play the content for your paid days, you're even.
    They don't own you anything beside making you able to connect to servers and play whatever content they want to give you.
    You don't have to decide about (now) their money. And they don't have to decide about your playtime anymore (unless User Agreements you agreed to allow that).
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    Last edited by Neophyte; 05-31-2017 at 05:49 AM.

  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    Blizzard has 4 franchises spread across 6 games that are receiving active development (and one of those is getting it's first DLC pack after 2 years of mostly tweaks and the occasional small add)

    Square has a lot more than that, so comparing what Blizzard makes and pumps into a much smaller pool of recipients to Square's much larger catalog of active development doesn't really work.
    My point simply is, they can afford it without all this nickel and dimeing (or rather $20+), so I don't really buy the idea that they're doing this because they are struggling. They're not some little indie company. It's them just trying to see how much they can squeeze out of you.

    If anything I just want the players to make more conscientious purchases when it comes to this sort of thing.
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  6. #106
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    To be honest I am a little bit disappointed on this. I remember when Yoshida and he's team are rebuilding the game and they promised that they will listen to the player base (hence the forums) and they are doing it out of passion and love for the brand. Right now, for some reason I am not seeing that same drive they had before. Every new patch, I feel I'm missing something but I really can't explain it hahaha. When the game got bigger, they become greedy somehow. My response to this cash shop items is I won't buy it if I don't need it. You really cannot get everything in an MMO anyway it's just that I'm missing something from SE, the passion they had from 1.0 to 2.0. I hope Stormblood will be great. I will keep supporting this game and SB please be good.

    Note: I understand the OP and I too feel the outfits are overpriced. Welcome to the new age of gaming (I miss the old days were there are no DLCs or PreOrders) sigh~
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    Last edited by Rieze_Xeero; 05-31-2017 at 05:57 AM. Reason: edit
    ここにリンクがあります。

  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by spf1200 View Post
    yes. if people stop buying this stuff SE with get the message. But that won't happen because so many people are easy to nickle and dime and they are too stupid to see it happening
    The message you hope they get may not be the one they receive. Sure, best case scenario, they lower prices. Worst case (depending on which side of the spectrum you're at) is they pull the plug entirely on any future glams because they'll feel its not worth it and fall back on fantasia + everything else revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

  8. #108
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    It's a subscription MMO with a cash shop. After the customers told them that was okay when they should have stood against it, anything goes. I'm not surprised, but I'm also not going to support that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post


    I was stating that I don't care about the glamours to show that you do not need to care about the products available in the cash shop to be annoyed with the cash shop. It's not a pre-requisite.
    It's not necessarily a pre-requisite. I have always been vocal about my opposition to the cash shop and my position has been consistent. I don't care what's in it, I'm opposed to them diverting resources into content that only people willing to pay them extra cash get when it should be given to everyone since everyone financed the creation of that content in the first place.

    That being said, for the most part, if people don't want a particular item they add to the cash shop, they don't care about this. This is just my experience from talking to people about this issue on this forum.
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  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    SE orders them to develop expansions and they pay for it. With their own money.
    It's not your money anymore, nor do you have a contract with them about what it has to be used for.
    And it's up to SE to make sure that enough people buy the expansion and buy playtime to make their money back and as much extra money as they think they need to do whatever they want. Therefore they pay for content (updates).

    If it's not enough content for you, it's up to you to quit. But has ammount of free content really changed?
    No because there's no free content that is relevant to me I pay for everything I access with my sub and box purchase. The subscription and account still has a value after the purchase has been made it's not a free game.



    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    You pay your sub to play the game. From the point they have your money and you can connect to the server and play the content for your paid days, you're even.
    They don't own you anything beside making you able to connect to servers and play whatever content they want to give you.
    You don't have to decide about (now) their money. And they don't have to decide about your playtime anymore (unless User Agreements you agreed to allow that).

    Also we're talking about potential money here, the value of a subscriber is different from that of a store's customer. It's why this game isn't buy to play.
    They expect my continued support, and hey guess what, that's my money still. Any with the moving of new skins out from events and content updates, and into large out of game purchases, I am now guaranteed to cancel my sub until major patches because now I have even less to do in the game, less to work on, and thus the value of that subscribed month is worth less while still costing ever more. Therefore, SE will be getting less of "my" money.
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    ~sigh~

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