Divine seal as role additional skill.

[Yuyuka3]

That is assuming we will actually need everything we lost. For example, a BLM will be able to transfer 20% of it's MP. DPS can remove some negative effects. Is DS necessary on 4.0 WHM? Will there be new skills that remove conditions? Etc.

You don't really believe a BLM would give you MP so that he has to switch to Umbral earlier and loose DPS, do you? lol
And even if you find that rare gem... it would work with one of the other healers, too.
Also, is Divine Seal necessary? Uhm, yes??? Why should it not be?



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Good ones will between pulls, when bosses go immune, etc

I don't really meet good ones, though, and why should they even take it up if they can take another skill that gives them DPS instead? It's a DPS class after all.
Between pulls will also imply casual content, which is a non-argument for me since you can argue that you need nothing but your base kit there...

"I don't really​ meet good ones" implies casual content. Train or replace as needed in a static

Except that I'm far from casual, thank you very much. My only problem right now is that my static disbanded recently, and with WHM in this state I don't know if I will ever find one again. Just led to me playing other games, I can't remember when I last did more than getting daily stuff done because there's nothing else to do except leveling classes I have no interest in ever playing, since the ones I do play have been 60 for quite some time now...

Exactly, that's the thing. Sure, Protect, Divine Seal, Cleric's Stance and Esuna are being taken out of the base kit, but if it works as it does right now (one new skill/trait with every 2 levels in the class, similar with the job) those skills will be replaced with new abilities. So at Level 6 when you would have gotten Cleric's Stance, what will you get instead? Etc.

Frankly, I think WHM has a lot more room for growth if a lot of their skills are moving to cross-class. You'll just have to wait and see what they are being replaced with.

My prediction is nothing since they try to avoide "skill bloating"...

HPS checks may not be high enough to warrant it, cure III might be a reasonable option for WHM in an HPS scenario that AST would want DS, etc

So I blow MP while AST just uses the skill that was formerly one of my job skills. Sounds like a good trade to me... not. And if HPS scenarios aren't high enough to warrant it, then there's no point in WHM altogether, which, hey, is already the case!
Besides, Divine Seal has always been a very important skill to limit MP usage because if I can boost a lower potency heal enough that I won't have to use the stronger, more costly skill, more power and especially MP to me, and I would be dumb to not do that.

[winsock]

You don't really believe a BLM would give you MP so that he has to switch to Umbral earlier and loose DPS, do you? lol

Good ones will between pulls, when bosses go immune, etc

Also, is Divine Seal necessary? Uhm, yes??? Why should it not be?

HPS checks may not be high enough to warrant it, cure III might be a reasonable option for WHM in an HPS scenario that AST would want DS, etc

[winsock]

I don't really meet good ones, though, and why should they even take it up if they can take another skill that gives them DPS instead? It's a DPS class after all.
Between pulls will also imply casual content, which is a non-argument for me since you can argue that you need nothing but your base kit there...

"I don't really​ meet good ones" implies casual content. Train or replace as needed in a static