Divine seal as role additional skill.

[Johaandr]

Not sure if was blind. But i swear i saw divine seal as role additional skill set.
I mean why? Its a unique job skill from whm. I don't want to see a lousy ast running around with divine seal(no salt). I know its just a skill but that skill makes whm op in terms of healing aoe. Oh well.. aspected helios with divine sure would look dumb(no salt).

[Fernosaur]

Synastry already gives AST a 20% healing potency buff, so I think it's very likely that Synastry is losing this effect in favor for the connection the Synastry target receives. That is, of course, if Synastry isn't being removed altogether.

I've seen a lot of WHMs get very angry about a lot of their skills being "stolen" from them and put into cross-role actions, but I'm pretty sure the other two jobs will also lose their equivalents. We can't be sure until we see what Stormblood brings. I also invite you to direct your WHM-related anger at a thread called "RIP WHM," just for the sake of not having two threads that are pretty much exactly the same.

[Reiryuu]

I've seen a lot of WHMs get very angry about a lot of their skills being "stolen" from them and put into cross-role actions, but I'm pretty sure the other two jobs will also lose their equivalents.

That's the problem. The other roles never *HAD* their equivalents. Protect, Cleric Stance and Divine Seal were all unique whm abilities. Protect and the Pro/Shell trait got passed to SCH and AST in 3.0. Cleric stance has always been passed out and now Divine Seal is gone. All the roles had an esuna-esque ability so that's not a problem. But what does SCH give us? Eye for an Eye... ONE ability. What does AST give us? Jack $hit.

[Roxas_Andrade]

Synastry already gives AST a 20% healing potency buff, so I think it's very likely that Synastry is losing this effect in favor for the connection the Synastry target receives. That is, of course, if Synastry isn't being removed altogether.

I hope Synastry to loose this healing bonus and become a toggle skill... (Always active, can be switched or cancelled)

[Kabzy]

What does AST give us? Jack $hit.

A longer MP regen, if the Lucid Dream translations are correct.

Also we don't know that WHM doesn't have a different buff, or that the other two jobs haven't lost theirs. So once again there's no point crying about it already. (And are we really going to make one thread per role action? There are already threads created for complaining xD )

[Reiryuu]

A longer MP regen, if the Lucid Dream translations are correct.

Also we don't know that WHM doesn't have a different buff, or that the other two jobs haven't lost theirs. So once again there's no point crying about it already. (And are we really going to make one thread per role action? There are already threads created for complaining xD )

That is not a unique AST skill. WHM had Shroud of Saints, and while AST had theirs too, considering this is now a Healer and Caster ability it's probably just the new MP regen mechanic.

The more threads we complain in, the more likely SE will read one =p

[Kabzy]

That is not a unique AST skill. WHM had Shroud of Saints, and while AST had theirs too, considering this is now a Healer and Caster ability it's probably just the new MP regen mechanic.

The more threads we complain in, the more likely SE will read one =p

Yeah but Shroud is also a 15 second buff, so it's not a carbon copy of Shroud. You're getting ASTs duration, if we really want to nitpick. xD

[Fernosaur]

That's the problem. The other roles never *HAD* their equivalents. Protect, Cleric Stance and Divine Seal were all unique whm abilities. Protect and the Pro/Shell trait got passed to SCH and AST in 3.0. Cleric stance has always been passed out and now Divine Seal is gone. All the roles had an esuna-esque ability so that's not a problem. But what does SCH give us? Eye for an Eye... ONE ability. What does AST give us? Jack $hit.

Sigh...

• All three healers had a way to increase Healing potency. AST has Synastry, WHM has Divine Seal, SCH has Dissipation and Fey Illumination. It is likely that they'll all lose these in favor of the cross-role Divine Seal clone.
  
• Scholar is "losing" Eye for an Eye. This might actually suck quite a bit cause I'm not sure the new E4E will interact at all with Deployment Tactics. That is, if Deployment Tactics even makes it into the expansion.
  
• All three healers are losing Esuna, Leeches and Exalted Detriment.
• WHM and SCH are losing Virus (and it's likely that AST is losing Disable), since it is now being ported to a Caster DPS role skill, depriving us from a big form of mitigation. A much harder hit for SCH and AST since their mitigation debuffs were far stronger.
  
• SCH and AST are COMPLTELY LOSING Aero and Stoneskin. Aero is a particularly hard hit for SCH DPS, and while it's not a horrible hit for AST, it was necessary for weaving cards in-between GCDs.
  
• SCH is losing Blizzard II, which is the only form of AoE nuke they have once Bane is set. AST is also losing Blizzard II pre-50, which means they will have no AoE until lvl 52.
  
• WHM, SCH and AST are all losing their Heavy inflicts (Stone, Miasma and Stella) in favor of Break.
  
• It is also very likely that AST is "losing" Luminiferous Aether, while I find it even more likely that SCH's MP regeneration through Aetherflow is being severely nerfed due to the addition of Lucid Dream. What impact this will have on the job, we still have to wait and see. It's also likely that SCH has lost the ability to let Eos freely heal party members automatically, which will completely change the job's current core mechanics, and it also is likely a hard nerf.

Please stop crying about WHM being absolutely shafted by these role-based skills. The only thing you're uniquely "losing" is Protect. SCH and AST are losing access to very important skills too, yet you don't see us doomsaying about our jobs being destroyed.

At least wait a little bit until the game is actually released before crying wolf. It's only been a couple of hours and it's already getting horribly old.

[Yuyuka3]

Sigh...

• SCH and AST are COMPLTELY LOSING Aero and Stoneskin. Aero is a particularly hard hit for SCH DPS, and while it's not a horrible hit for AST, it was necessary for weaving cards in-between GCDs.

Just that it looks like all classes are loosing Stoneskin, and Aero will be merged into Aero II, meaning that WHM looses out big times here as well. Aero might be borderline useless, but it was always nice to apply on the go, e.g. while avoiding AoE. Yes, you do lose some skills, too, but by far not as much as WHM, sorry.

[Gist]

Please stop crying about WHM being absolutely shafted by these role-based skills. The only thing you're uniquely "losing" is Protect. SCH and AST are losing access to very important skills too, yet you don't see us doomsaying about our jobs being destroyed.

At least wait a little bit until the game is actually released before crying wolf. It's only been a couple of hours and it's already getting horribly old.

While I can't speak for everyone here, the big issue that is here is raid viability (which WHM hasn't been raid viable for the greater part of 2 years). These changes only solidify that WHM can only be played in solo/casual content from what we can tell.

On the flipside, until we see potencies (700 potency Cure I when?), it's entirely possible that WHM will be numerically stronger than the other two healers again. Likely? No, but I can dream, can't I?