How would you handle this situation with mean spirited mentors?

[Vanitas]

A mentor stole my lunch money. By a MENTOR!!

But seriously though it's very tragic that bad people turned a good system with much potential into a grade A meme.

#can'thavenicethings

[Aylis]

I'm with AlphaFox up there. There shouldn't be incentive like a unique mount to be a mentor because true mentors need no incentive to be helpful.

I agree to some extent. I'm in the camp of being totally fine with mentors getting at least some reward for going through the hoops and ladders and being willing to go the extra mile and help. The issue is there's no upkeep system in place so its nearly impossible to tell which mentor is there to actually /be/ a mentor or the ones who were just there for the shiny and crown. I'd like to see a system like...I forget which game uses it, I wanna say ESO but I'm not certain. Basically when a mentor is partnered with a new person, at the end of what ever they were doing, said new person gets a pop up window from the game asking them if the mentor was helpful or not. That mentor would need to maintain if i remember right, five or more positive reviews each week. Not doing so would mean the mentor would be stripped of their title and lose all rewards associated with it.

[Hitsuzen]

Basically when a mentor is partnered with a new person, at the end of what ever they were doing, said new person gets a pop up window from the game asking them if the mentor was helpful or not. That mentor would need to maintain if i remember right, five or more positive reviews each week. Not doing so would mean the mentor would be stripped of their title and lose all rewards associated with it.

Yes! So much this.

[Miste]

Basically when a mentor is partnered with a new person, at the end of what ever they were doing, said new person gets a pop up window from the game asking them if the mentor was helpful or not. That mentor would need to maintain if i remember right, five or more positive reviews each week. Not doing so would mean the mentor would be stripped of their title and lose all rewards associated with it.

Bad idea for this game.

95% of the time I try to help other players as a mentor, nicely and politely, doesn't matter, I get harassed or yelled at with every thing you can think of from "elitist" to tons of nasty swear words that I don't care to repeat.

It's very rare for anyone to actually accept and be happy for the help. I can count how many times on one hand the times people have responded happy for the help.

So guess what 95% of the players are going to do? Troll the mentor by giving them bad reviews and getting their mentor status and rewards revoked.

Example:
Mentor: DRK, can you please use unleash a few more times, the BLM is taking hate when AoEing.

DRK may or may not answer but basically 95% of players on this game? He's thinking "pfft mentor trying to tell me how to play? you don't pay my sub I play how I want elitist"

End of dungeon? They are going to vote you down and out of being a mentor because they are peeved off you even offered help for them to play their job better.

Btw the DRK thing actually happened recently. I wasn't mentoring at the time but I asked them nicely to use a few more unleash because I was ripping hate when I AoE Fire II and Flare ect in a level 60 dungeon and they told me "shutup child". We ended up vote kicking him a bit after that.

95% of players get defensive as all heck if you say anything about how they play. Even if it was just asking for help since I was almost dying pulling hate because the DRK was only using Unleash once per pull and obviously wasn't cycling targets properly. I felt bad for the healer because she kept having to save me whenever quelling was on cooldown.


As for OP. I would have just kicked them as well. I mean the mentor crown yeah it sucks they were wearing it, but they would have been jerks even if mentor didn't exist. So I just vote kick rude people like that and move on because even if Mentor didn't exist you are still going to run into players like that.

[Niraye]

also just in general, but mostly I've seen this done by those queued in by mentor roulette, they want the run rushed such as main story runs and then when new people get lost or confused on how to go about the dungeon then they yell at them. had this happen in many of my runs lately, people just want a 5-10 minute run and say "well i wouldn't have queued had i knew it was going to be with newbies and slow" is how most people are lately when it comes to things, very saddening to see, even when you try to explain basic mechanics of whatever instance

[Ama_Hamada]

Bad idea for this game.95% of the time I try to help other players as a mentor, nicely and politely, doesn't matter, I get harassed or yelled at with every thing you can think of from "elitist" to tons of nasty swear words that I don't care to repeat.

It's very rare for anyone to actually accept and be happy for the help. I can count how many times on one hand the times people have responded happy for the help.

So guess what 95% of the players are going to do? Troll the mentor by giving them bad reviews and getting their mentor status and rewards revoked.

Example:
Mentor: DRK, can you please use unleash a few more times, the BLM is taking hate when AoEing.

DRK may or may not answer but basically 95% of players on this game? He's thinking "pfft mentor trying to tell me how to play? you don't pay my sub I play how I want elitist"

End of dungeon? They are going to vote you down and out of being a mentor because they are peeved off you even offered help for them to play their job better.

Btw the DRK thing actually happened recently. I wasn't mentoring at the time but I asked them nicely to use a few more unleash because I was ripping hate when I AoE Fire II and Flare ect in a level 60 dungeon and they told me "shutup child". We ended up vote kicking him a bit after that.

95% of players get defensive as all heck if you say anything about how they play. Even if it was just asking for help since I was almost dying pulling hate because the DRK was only using Unleash once per pull and obviously wasn't cycling targets properly. I felt bad for the healer because she kept having to save me whenever quelling was on cooldown.


As for OP. I would have just kicked them as well. I mean the mentor crown yeah it sucks they were wearing it, but they would have been jerks even if mentor didn't exist. So I just vote kick rude people like that and move on because even if Mentor didn't exist you are still going to run into players like that.

Agreed, also how would you do that in open world (helping people outside DF)?

[Yeol]

When a player is showing bad attitude, warn them. Tell them to relax there is no need to behave like this.
We were all new once to the game. If they wont stop, simply kick them from duty.

[akaneakki]

Btw the DRK thing actually happened recently. I wasn't mentoring at the time but I asked them nicely to use a few more unleash because I was ripping hate when I AoE Fire II and Flare ect in a level 60 dungeon and they told me "shutup child". We ended up vote kicking him a bit after that.

Yeah, same with me telling a BLM. Hey m8, I used to main BLM and using blizzard. when your mpis full does no good, so using fire would be better. ''I dont care, let me play the way I want''. However, I told another BLM to use fire 3 after blizzard to get the 3 stacks asap instead of using fire 1 right after blizzard 3. They noticed the difference in terms of casting faster and also more dps, the feedback I got from that person was nice and I was surprised. People, very many people talk about how great the community is, I do agree some of it is nice, but the way people preach it, just no. It's because of those type of players, basically.

[Aylis]

95% of the time I try to help other players as a mentor, nicely and politely, doesn't matter, I get harassed or yelled at with every thing you can think of from "elitist" to tons of nasty swear words that I don't care to repeat.

Yeah, I've been there plenty of times as well to know what its like. Ideally for this world the mentor system really should have never been a thing in the first place if you ask me. In an ideal world with a mentor system, an upkeep system works well (at least I never personally heard any complaints from players from the game I mentioned before once I read about it anyway...) So the problem goes full circle, to fix the issues means fixing the community. Something no system can accomplish, the community has to want to fix itself. Until that time comes all that can be done is take seeing the mentor crown with a grain of salt and not assume they're there to help. Just as the players that get hostile over someone giving advice along with the "mentors" that get hostile twords new players. All that can be done is kick and forget.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

Iv a 3rd character , a lalafell pld. I was marked as new because its a new character. I get in a duty . Guess what ? The sec the mentor healer saw i was a "new" he automaticly leaved the party. Wtf ? Wtf this mentor ? He not deserve his crown. He dishonored this title...