Dam. meter

[Kazrah]

Personally I don't really care about in game dps meter, I doubt they'll provide as much functionality and features as ACT combined with FFlogs (I especially like the ability to compare your parse with another parse to see where you can improve).

Actually this is one more reason why a dps meter doesn't need to be implemented. No point wasting resources on a damage meter when third-party programs will always provide better information, which is the main reason why WoW, the king of add-on requirements, hasn't implemented their own version of a parser.

Ya know, there's a super-easy way of gauging your dps through a simple game called "Is it dead?". All you have to do is ask yourself "is it dead?", and if it is, then your dps is just fine. If it's not dead, then clearly you're not doing enough damage. No numbers, no ToS violations, and it's so easy that even someone who doesn't know their rotation can do it!

Now in a group, playing "is it dead?" can be much trickier since you could be doing your best and still not succeed at making that thing dead. That's when you have to do something called "looking around"--I know, quite a difficult feat during a fight, but still doable--and assess who can improve their damage. Of course, this requires a basic level of knowledge for each job, so if you currently do not possess such knowledge, it is best to let someone who does make such assessments before making judgments and showing that inner scumbag of yours, and no one wants to see that. Some examples of these circumstances would be as follows:

1) Is your healer bouncing around like their bored out of their mind? Suggest to them that they can switch to Cleric Stance and do some damage if healing is not currently a problem for them, but do not attempt to force this upon them, as they have a more important role to perform than whatever it is that you're doing.

2) Is your tank holding threat against that "monstrous" dps of yours? This means that for a tank, they are doing enough so that you can do enough, and that is all that is necessary for the one person who keeps your alleged "pain train" running at top speed. If you do not feel that they are doing enough damage, just remember that a tank pretending to be a dps means that a dps will need to pretend to be a tank.

3) Is that one other dps not using that buff that makes them do better at whatever it is that they're supposed to do? If not, then tell them that there is that buff that they should be using so that they don't feel like the pathetic dead weight that you currently perceive them to be.

4) Is that one Black Mage spamming Blizzard spells like they are suffering from a permanent case of brain freeze? If so, then kindly suggest to them that their Fire spells will do far more damage. If they disregard your suggestion or appear not to care about it, then clearly they must not care about being in a group with your pure awesomeness.

5) Does that other dps keep dying to avoidable things? Politely suggest to that Dragoon--er, that other dps, that they will do far more damage the longer they live, and if they refuse, feel free to hit them with a rolled-up newspaper and tell them to stop doing that and that no one cares about their "stacks" if it means that their death will make whatever that special buff of theirs is fall off upon their inevitable demise.

6) Does everything seem to be going well and yet that thing still isn't dead? Maybe it's you, EVER THINK OF THAT? OF COURSE NOT YOU WHINY, ARROGANT *expletive deleted*!!

....okay, enough of me and my usual level of condescending sarcasm, we seriously don't need a damage meter. If you really want to know damage that badly, look around at people in the raid, check buffs, and--most importantly--get comfortable enough with your job so that you can be at your maximum while still being able to do all that.

[Greedalox]

Ya know, there's a super-easy way of gauging your dps through a simple game called "Is it dead?". All you have to do is ask yourself "is it dead?", and if it is, then your dps is just fine. If it's not dead, then clearly you're not doing enough damage.

This advice is really only infallible in solo content. "Just do better" isn't the greatest way to coax better numbers out of situations where someone may not know what's what, which is what a lot of your advice boils down to.

[dragonseth07]

All you have to do is ask yourself "is it dead?", and if it is, then your dps is just fine.

I still don't get this idea that all that matters is doing enough to clear. Optimization should be a goal, not saying "Eh, good enough."

[thegreatonemal]

I still don't get this idea that all that matters is doing enough to clear. Optimization should be a goal, not saying "Eh, good enough."

Optimization is only really required for high end content and even then not by much unless your doing the content under geared. so in the case of 80% of the content in this game "eh, good enough" is fine. Might not sit well with you but you don't get to whine and moan and complain about people not doing their jobs to your standards as no one has to care about your standards as long as the content standards are met.

[dragonseth07]

Optimization is only really required for high end content and even then not by much unless your doing the content under geared. so in the case of 80% of the content in this game "eh, good enough" is fine. Might not sit well with you but you don't get to whine and moan and complain about people not doing their jobs to your standards as no one has to care about your standards as long as the content standards are met.

I didn't say required, I said it should be a goal. I want to perform well for my teammates, and that should be universal. It's the same as any other group activity. Why should this game be different?

[ToasterMan]

I didn't say required, I said it should be a goal.

Everyone wants to play optimally. Nobody WANTS to be bad. Problem is, the abusers don't care about that. All that matters to them is that they played badly. For them, the sheer fact that someone did poorly is all the justification they need in order to harass someone.

[dragonseth07]

Everyone wants to play optimally. Nobody WANTS to be bad. Problem is, the abusers don't care about that. All that matters to them is that they played badly. For them, the sheer fact that someone did poorly is all the justification they need in order to harass someone.

You know that's BS, or you've never used DF in this game.

This game's slogan is "You don't pay my sub." This community is defined by people who actively avoid optimal play because they don't feel like it or don't like being told what to do.

Hell, they are posting in this thread.

When I see other MMO communities make fun of this one, that is the normal thing to pick on. We actively fight to shield and even promote mediocrity.

[ToasterMan]

You know that's BS, or you've never used DF in this game.

Well see that's just the thing. I've never seen anyone in DF slacking off on the magnitude that people on this forum say they do. My friends don't do it. Nobody I know on my server does it. I think it's a big exaggeration.

When I see other MMO communities make fun of this one, that is the normal thing to pick on. We actively fight to shield and even promote mediocrity.

Nobody PROMOTES bad or mediocre play. People just don't want to get harassed. MMO communities make fun of each other all the time. This game as a LOT more issues than some people not trying as hard as they should be. It doesn't surprise me to hear this game being made fun of.

This game's slogan is "You don't pay my sub."

That horse has been dead for years. Never and I mean NEVER in all of my years playing this game, have I heard someone say that. I saw it used as an argument on the forums years ago, but never in game.