Dam. meter

[Arrius]

With FFXIV, I do not know if our community will be as bad as the one in WoW, but right now we already have people being very toxic towards others. At the end of the day, if someone is a bad player and does not care, they will not change, even if there is a damage meter.

If you guys don't take constant action towards those who are bad by default and are unwilling to improve, then they'll never learn. Until now the community just 'meh'-d over it all and probably have caused this exact meter debate in the first place.
We don't want to get bogged down in arguments during dungeons and raids, instead the wish for a meter derives for clear cut evidence of significant underperformers we wish ourselves to get rid of.

When they are unwilling to heed advice, strive for self-improvedment or even check for guides on these forums/reddit/dedicated websites, then they have no place in progression oriented duties.

[Laerune]

If you guys don't take constant action towards those who are bad by default and are unwilling to improve, then they'll never learn. The community just 'meh'-d over it all and probably have caused this exact meter debate in the first place.
We don't want to get bugged down in arguments during dungeons and raids, instead the wish for a meter derives for clear cut evidence of underperformers we wish ourselves to get rid of.

When they are unwilling to heed advice, strive for self-improvedment or even check for guides on these forums/reddit/dedicated websites, then they have no place in progression oriented duties.

Only thing we can do is advice them, but if they wont listen then its either kick them out or ignore and continue. You can not force them to change, if they they do not care. A damage meter will show the underpreformers, but how much harm will it do the community, compared the good that it can do. Past experience has shown me that they bring more harm then good. SE too think this is the case, which is why we do not have official addon support or a damage meter in the game.

If you are looking for underpreformers, you can always use the parsers that people are already using and advice the underpreformer, if they wont listen, kick them out or ignore them.

[Arrius]

Only thing we can do is advice them, but if they wont listen then its either kick them out or ignore and continue. You can not force them to change, if they they do not care. A damage meter will show the underpreformers, but how much harm will it do the community, compared the good that it can do. Past experience has shown me that they bring more harm then good. SE too think this is the case, which is why we do not have official addon support or a damage meter in the game. If you are looking for underpreformers, you can always use the parsers that people are already using and advice the underpreformer, if they wont listen, kick them out or ignore them.

Oh, I do use my own judgement about this all whom I throw out or not, don't worry about that. However, this stance of player expectation only goes far until the next group, where possibly the tank/dps/healer with a thousand-yard stare and doing their 500'th random roulette will not care about this all as long the dungeon gets done, either in 20 or 60 minutes.

And you guys need to chill out on the 'I will be kicked on a whim because of my DPS' negativity - As long you can play your job right and within the expectations of how SE thinks you should play it, nearly everyone will not give you crap about that.

For everything else, you drop a ticket and customer support will deal with it as they do now. Harassment, in any kind of way, is no laughing matter and if you don't bother even filing a report about that issue, nothing and no one will change.

[bswpayton]

While I would like to have a damage meter so I can improve myself, personal experience has shown me that majority will abuse the damage meter to demean and insult other players so they themselves can feel better. If everyone used the damage meter with the intend to help their fellow players, then there would not be any excuse for SE to add

Everything you said happens in this game already hence all the no bonus parties the only type of raid or trail a new comer is accepted into is a learning group. So essentially there would be no difference at all we need a praiser in this game if even for just personal use many players wont them. The actual damage we see on the screen is so misleading compared to how much we may be doing per second. If SE isnt gona do it I think Ps4 should make some kind of device to aid players that play their games in knowing their damage as well its just a disservice not to know for those whom want to improve

[Kallera]

Here is the thing, you may think this would only be used to get rid of the worst of the worst, but in reality it will be used to give players of any skill a bad time, as people treat each other as a number, looking at the parser to see which attempt excuses the kick.

[SenorPatty]

On an public scale, parsers are not effective in public settings. Hardly anyone knows each other well enough in a pug to demonstrate how parsers can help improve

On a private scale, where you've raided with the same people over time, parsers help alot because everyone knows what everybody else does at what time. People are more receptive to improving onself because trust and camaraderie already exist.

If SE ever publicly supports and add parsers to the game, I hope they put a hard stance that it should be only in private groups, where everyone already acknowledges they are being/using a parser.

[Misutoraru]

it is a tool, like a knife or any hand tool
it can do good as well as do harm
toxic people do not need a tool to do harm to other, good player will find their way to improve themselve, bad player will remain bad player regardless he/she given a tool or not
but giving a tool to a worker, he/she done the job better, giving a tool to a psychopath, he/she done the harm more
SE have clearly state their stance on it, and as what i have experience in MMO with such tool,
I stand strongly aside SE with it

[Derio]

I know in WoW it was a tool that created a very toxic community. One reason why I quit eso was due to its toxity for having one and players criticizing and harassing tanks and healers for low dps.

If ffxiv implements such tool, even simple trials and MSQ dungeons won't be safe from harassment

[Orbiaus]

I would also like to point out that people parse anyway. If I go into a savage raid someone knows the damage numbers. If I go into a extreme trial, someone knows the damage numbers! It's used anyway and after all the times I've played abuse occurs when the dps check isn't met or enrage. Only then do people mention the parse data!

So I guess they should remove the dps checks and enrage then due to abuse? If a dev is going to make hitting a damage target a thing lets have a tool to help us reach that damage target.