Dam. meter

[Ashua]

Not sure why this is brought up. It has caused so many issues on wow I no longer play the game because of the acidic community. It is not worth it and might be a programming nightmare for ps4/pc compat at this juncture.

[Ashua]

Anecdotal? Last few runs I had showed people spam posting dps parse logs and complaints aplenty of afk and low dps people. We have issues on here about similar notes true but this would only make things worse. If people are clearing content and we have done well without in game parsers for 3-4 years then we will be fine.

[Shougun]

Anecdotal? Last few runs I had showed people spam posting dps parse logs and complaints aplenty of afk and low dps people. We have issues on here about similar notes true but this would only make things worse. If people are clearing content and we have done well without in game parsers for 3-4 years then we will be fine.

The context was parsers being useful, and he said there was no example in public and I said that is Anecdotal because I've seen it be useful many times in public. I would /heavily/ argue that removing afk and incredibly low dps people is being useful.

I'd disagree with kicking average or a little bit below average of course, and when I played WoW never bothered people with "eh.. thats.. not very.. well thats actually sort of bad" damage (I also denied vote kicks against those people, heck some days especially with a new character I am that person lol), but being able to easily see and remove AFK / people who are clearly engrossed with a TV show on their other monitor.. that's a gift parsers offer not a burden.

[Llan]

Look, you want to rule out people off runs because of low DPS in your FC or static group, go right ahead. Just don't drag the elitism to casual content.
We don't need a parser in-game for almost 99% of the game. Only that 1% that are hardcore raid groups that worry about this and that's absolutely fine as long as it is not something that will annoy anyone else other than people trying to get into said groups.

@Shougun

If you're able to finish the dungeon why go out of your way to kick people that might be multitasking? They are having fun and you should too. Instead of worrying if something might have happened to them for the DPS to be so low. That's also something I don't see the use outside static raid groups or PF raid groups.

Plus, what's the point of removing "incredibly low dps people" as you phrased it?
Why not maybe teach them a thing or two? Don't you want the game to have a better community overall? Have you never been there where he was? I reckon you weren't born dealing mad deeps. You learned and maybe those people are learning too.

[Shougun]

@Shougun

If you're able to finish the dungeon why go out of your way to kick people that might be multitasking? They are having fun and you should too. Instead of worrying if something might have happened to them for the DPS to be so low. That's also something I don't see the use outside static raid groups or PF raid groups.

Why should I have to make up for two or three people when I can enjoy smooth content with a team that wants to work together?

People shouldn't be expected to carry someone else who doesn't want to play, and "multitasking" by watching your favorite show on the left and pressing one blindly on the right is near not playing lol.

Of course if someone goes from core team member to afk out of no where something may have happened to them, thats where the group decides what to do next. Preferably I like to wait a bit unless there is something that means I can't (like server maintenance, dungeon timer, stuff like that).

IF you were playing solo I really don't care how you play but in a team setting I believe there should be an certain level of respect to each other... if someone started a dungeon with "guys I'm watching the Superbowl please carry me" I'd personally initiate a vote kick as soon as I found out if they were joking or not (I'd wait to make sure that was actually their intention, people make jokes no need for a kneejerk reaction).

It is bad having parses in wow they have dedicated websites for uploading parsing information as trophies.

We have a website on it too, not sure how old it is though. At least half a year, which is about when I heard of it.

[Llan]

Why should I have to make up for two or three people when I can enjoy smooth content with a team that wants to work together?
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Welp then that's your problem isn't it? If you're talking about Raid content with PF groups you should scout for better people.
As I said any other content can be cleared with a hand tied behind your back while eating Ramen with your elbow. No need for a parser. Sometimes it might be a little bit challenging or slower than normal because someone is new or it's their first 60.

Thank the gods we have raid groups for casual people that have patience to learn and teach as they move forward together.
Some people don't care about being World's First.

[Shougun]

Welp then that's your problem isn't it? If you're talking about Raid content with PF groups you should scout for better people.
As I said any other content can be cleared with a hand tied behind your back while eating Ramen with your elbow. No need for a parser. Sometimes it might be a little bit challenging or slower than normal because someone is new or it's their first 60.

Thank the gods we have raid groups for casual people that have patience to learn and teach as they move forward together.
Some people don't care about being World's First.

It's not about being the world's first, its about respect. If you're going into content not to actually be part of the team but to pay your taxes, watch a show, haggle over comcast prices, and get a free ride then you shouldn't have joined in the first place. I have no care if people are new or old, its about if you're trying or not. If you don't want to play the game then don't play... Try != expecting perfection, just means actually playing and not giving the game 5% of your attention. (The above is not arguing about parsers, just in a general sense about actually trying).

Patience for learning groups is not in anyway similar to letting people not try because they just have better things to do while you play for them. On an aside though even in top tier guilds the parser usually takes a back burner while people learn, mastering the mechanics comes first since your parser can get in the way of how you're supposed to address the content if you think of it first (so.. when learning people should avoid using the parser until they've learned the mechanics, if the mechanic is damage then of course that's different lol).

Also I was talking about all content, DF/RF/W.E. Unless the content was formed with that player in mind like your FC is just dragging you along for the free clears because they can, do whatever you want then - like whatever lol.

[Orbiaus]

How come people always assume the damage meter has to show other people's damage? I'd like my own personal damage meter because im on PS4 and I can't improve if I can't see numbers!

[Llan]

It's not about being the world's first, its about respect. If you're going into content...

Patience for learning groups is not in anyway similar to letting people not try because they just have better things to do...

Sure, and you mean to tell me that a parser would allow you to know if they are trying or not based solely on their DPS numbers?
That's exactly why we don't need parsers. What for? To create arbitrary reasons to kick people and make people sad or mad during content that was supposed to be fun?
As a main Tank I come across 1 or maybe 2 very low DPS people a day. And it's not like they ruin the run for me at all.

What ruins things are people that don't want to learn/hear explanations and/or are toxic.

You might not harass players because of parse #s but there are plenty that will and I refuse to accept something like that.