Dam. meter

[Ceasaria]

I know in WoW it was a tool that created a very toxic community. One reason why I quit eso was due to its toxity for having one and players criticizing and harassing tanks and healers for low dps.

If ffxiv implements such tool, even simple trials and MSQ dungeons won't be safe from harassment

Bah, allow parser only for Trial Ex and Raid Savage. It's midcore contents, it should be okay.

[akaneakki]

I actually find more 1 clickers or semi afk players than the "elitist toxic" ones. Parser already exist in game. Why people dont offend or talk shit, is because its againts tos. That rule will still be there if they going to get one offically. And if a player do listen to advice me and others are more than welcome to help them. But please, dont question yourself why you get kicked for not doing what you are supposed to. Ive seen people get kicked and wonder why. Till its been said in party after... this happens because its either disband or kick the afk player.

[ShinMetsu]

Parsers exist in World of Warcraft for 12+ years, and nobody is salty, fear them or feel "insulted" by them.

Do you realize though that even now people are afraid to join content out of fear of being judged?

Just because you don't notice these people, doesn't mean they're not there.

[Arrius]

Do you realize though that even now people are afraid to join content out of fear of being judged?

Just because you don't notice these people, doesn't mean they're not there.

When the ones you talk about have raid anxiety, then they should go with their friends or fc members first. There is much less pressure present when you are around people who you know and can trust.
Once you built up enough experience and confidence with the mechanics, you can take a step further and enter dungeon finder queues.

There's no reason why people should beat themselves up because of this.
Take a step back, breathe, surround yourself with who you are comfortable with, then try again.

[Ama_Hamada]

Here is another thing "dam. meter" reminded me of:

Players of FFXIV, no poor sap ever won a dungeon by dying for their country. They won it by being all that they can be. Damn the dam meters, or give me death! Eternal vigilance is the price of duty. And, to the victors go the spoils. So remember: you are the best of the best of the few and the proud. So ask not what your country can do for you, only regret that you have but one life to live! The war against the Gimpinites will be won! Player Elite, let the first shot be fired! Search out the gimpinties and meter 'em all!

kk, again, real comment:
Now I understand some arguing it should be on the player not the tool, it is something I used to bring pvp chat back. The thing is, the player base already proved meters in a public setting would be more harm then good. Every time I see a reference to DPS or FF logs is intent to put someone down, not help them. It is kinda strange though SE has such a strong policy on commenting on someone's DPS with all the DPS checks in the game...

[Ama_Hamada]

People keep mentioning dev time. Have you run pvp? At the end it shows how much dmg you did, took, healing. So the game already has a tracking system in place. Just put a bar on our screen with a little number that changes. Shouldn't be too hard. But i guess they are too busy thinking up more things to add to the cash shop.

that is not the reason it is not in the game...:

Here is another thing "dam. meter" reminded me of:

Players of FFXIV, no poor sap ever won a dungeon by dying for their country. They won it by being all that they can be. Damn the dam meters, or give me death! Eternal vigilance is the price of duty. And, to the victors go the spoils. So remember: you are the best of the best of the few and the proud. So ask not what your country can do for you, only regret that you have but one life to live! The war against the Gimpinites will be won! Player Elite, let the first shot be fired! Search out the gimpinties and meter 'em all!

kk, again, real comment:
Now I understand some arguing it should be on the player not the tool, it is something I used to bring pvp chat back. The thing is, the player base already proved meters in a public setting would be more harm then good. Every time I see a reference to DPS or FF logs is intent to put someone down, not help them. It is kinda strange though SE has such a strong policy on commenting on someone's DPS with all the DPS checks in the game...

[aleph_null]

Personally I don't really care about in game dps meter, I doubt they'll provide as much functionality and features as ACT combined with FFlogs (I especially like the ability to compare your parse with another parse to see where you can improve).

[Kazrah]

Personally I don't really care about in game dps meter, I doubt they'll provide as much functionality and features as ACT combined with FFlogs (I especially like the ability to compare your parse with another parse to see where you can improve).

Actually this is one more reason why a dps meter doesn't need to be implemented. No point wasting resources on a damage meter when third-party programs will always provide better information, which is the main reason why WoW, the king of add-on requirements, hasn't implemented their own version of a parser.

Ya know, there's a super-easy way of gauging your dps through a simple game called "Is it dead?". All you have to do is ask yourself "is it dead?", and if it is, then your dps is just fine. If it's not dead, then clearly you're not doing enough damage. No numbers, no ToS violations, and it's so easy that even someone who doesn't know their rotation can do it!

Now in a group, playing "is it dead?" can be much trickier since you could be doing your best and still not succeed at making that thing dead. That's when you have to do something called "looking around"--I know, quite a difficult feat during a fight, but still doable--and assess who can improve their damage. Of course, this requires a basic level of knowledge for each job, so if you currently do not possess such knowledge, it is best to let someone who does make such assessments before making judgments and showing that inner scumbag of yours, and no one wants to see that. Some examples of these circumstances would be as follows:

1) Is your healer bouncing around like their bored out of their mind? Suggest to them that they can switch to Cleric Stance and do some damage if healing is not currently a problem for them, but do not attempt to force this upon them, as they have a more important role to perform than whatever it is that you're doing.

2) Is your tank holding threat against that "monstrous" dps of yours? This means that for a tank, they are doing enough so that you can do enough, and that is all that is necessary for the one person who keeps your alleged "pain train" running at top speed. If you do not feel that they are doing enough damage, just remember that a tank pretending to be a dps means that a dps will need to pretend to be a tank.

3) Is that one other dps not using that buff that makes them do better at whatever it is that they're supposed to do? If not, then tell them that there is that buff that they should be using so that they don't feel like the pathetic dead weight that you currently perceive them to be.

4) Is that one Black Mage spamming Blizzard spells like they are suffering from a permanent case of brain freeze? If so, then kindly suggest to them that their Fire spells will do far more damage. If they disregard your suggestion or appear not to care about it, then clearly they must not care about being in a group with your pure awesomeness.

5) Does that other dps keep dying to avoidable things? Politely suggest to that Dragoon--er, that other dps, that they will do far more damage the longer they live, and if they refuse, feel free to hit them with a rolled-up newspaper and tell them to stop doing that and that no one cares about their "stacks" if it means that their death will make whatever that special buff of theirs is fall off upon their inevitable demise.

6) Does everything seem to be going well and yet that thing still isn't dead? Maybe it's you, EVER THINK OF THAT? OF COURSE NOT YOU WHINY, ARROGANT *expletive deleted*!!

....okay, enough of me and my usual level of condescending sarcasm, we seriously don't need a damage meter. If you really want to know damage that badly, look around at people in the raid, check buffs, and--most importantly--get comfortable enough with your job so that you can be at your maximum while still being able to do all that.

[Greedalox]

Ya know, there's a super-easy way of gauging your dps through a simple game called "Is it dead?". All you have to do is ask yourself "is it dead?", and if it is, then your dps is just fine. If it's not dead, then clearly you're not doing enough damage.

This advice is really only infallible in solo content. "Just do better" isn't the greatest way to coax better numbers out of situations where someone may not know what's what, which is what a lot of your advice boils down to.

[dragonseth07]

All you have to do is ask yourself "is it dead?", and if it is, then your dps is just fine.

I still don't get this idea that all that matters is doing enough to clear. Optimization should be a goal, not saying "Eh, good enough."