What is it with some tanks, healers, and dps?

[Adire]

It's nice to know you think people with disabilities are a "dead weight" to you. Do you seriously believe that?

Look at what you quoted and read again. If you're going to twist words and ignore obvious context, at least do a good job of it.

[Doozer]

Look at what you quoted and read again. If you're going to twist words and ignore obvious context, at least do a good job of it.

You said that being disabled is a good excuse for being a "dead weight", as if people who are "dead weights" are often disabled. Maybe you shouldn't have included it at all. There was no reason to take a stab at disabled people, regardless of what you claim you're implying. I read it, thanks. If you weren't trying to insult disabled people, maybe you should've been more clear. I'm sure all your experience with disabled people would teach you that not everyone understands what you're implying with short sentences that don't have much detail (I'm saying this as a disabled person, hi, hello).

[Adire]

You said that being disabled is a good excuse for being a "dead weight", as if people who are "dead weights" are often disabled. Maybe you shouldn't have included it at all. There was no reason to take a stab at disabled people, regardless of what you claim you're implying. I read it, thanks.

You read it but clearly didn't understand then.

I was saying being handicapped mentally or physically is a valid excuse for sub-par play, nothing else is.

[Doozer]

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Even despite your very obvious ableism, you're still wrong. There's so many reasons why someone might be playing bad. Let's list them out, shall we.

1. Lag
2. Hardware-based technical difficulties
3. Someone might be distracting them
4. A pet stepped on their mouse or keyboard
5. They're fairly new (like <200 hours) and no one has corrected them
6. They're not obsessed with reaching maximum DPS or whatever because they just want to have fun in a game
7. They're tired
8. They're intoxicated in some way (if I had a nickel for every person that said "lmao smokin' weed")
9. They've had a bad day

Should I go on?

[Adire]

Even despite your very obvious ableism, you're still wrong. There's so many reasons why someone might be playing bad. Let's list them out, shall we.

1. Lag
2. Hardware-based technical difficulties
3. Someone might be distracting them
4. A pet stepped on their mouse or keyboard
5. They're fairly new (like <200 hours) and no one has corrected them
6. They're not obsessed with reaching maximum DPS or whatever because they just want to have fun in a game
7. They're tired
8. They're intoxicated in some way (if I had a nickel for every person that said "lmao smokin' weed")
9. They've had a bad day

Should I go on?

Alright, ignore reality if you want. It's your right.

1. If you're consistently lagging to the point where you're significantly impacting the run, you should leave. If you don't you're being selfish and you're at fault. Play again when you're able to without ruining other people's runs.
2. If your computer or console are struggling to run the game and it's impacting the group, you should leave.
3. If you're not paying attention to the game, don't do team content. It's rude to not give your all.
4. If your pet is distracting constantly, see the above.
5. There are guides all over the place and everyone has the opportunity to practice as well as to ask for advice. Not being prepared is your own fault.
6. You can have fun and still do your best.
7. They should play when they're more rested or at least capable of functioning where they're not being carried instead of detrimenting 3 other people.
8. Intoxicated is the least acceptable excuse for carrying someone ever.
9. They shouldn't ruin other peoples' days if they had a bad day.

Feel free to go on. I'm sure every reason you have is something preventable by the person in question if they just considered other people. Don't try to justify being inconsiderate of the group.

[Doozer]

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A problem having a solution doesn't not make it a valid reason for what's happening. You say I'm ignoring reality, but you're saying that because some causes have solutions, that means they should never occur. And you're acting like those things are persistent issues. Like someone being distracted is a valid reason when, for example, they're in a boss fight and someone comes into the room to talk to them, and that diverts their attention for a second too long and they don't move out of an AoE in time. Or something on their computer minimized the game and they weren't able to heal the tank at a critical time and they wiped.

Like are you even trying to understand at all. There are varying reasons that explain why someone might not have done something correctly when you wanted them to. How about you consider other people instead.

[Adire]

A problem having a solution doesn't not make it a valid reason for what's happening. You say I'm ignoring reality, but you're saying that because some causes have solutions, that means they should never occur. And you're acting like those things are persistent issues. Like someone being distracted is a valid reason when, for example, they're in a boss fight and someone comes into the room to talk to them, and that diverts their attention for a second too long and they don't move out of an AoE in time. Or something on their computer minimized the game and they weren't able to heal the tank at a critical time and they wiped.

Like are you even trying to understand at all. There are varying reasons that explain why someone might not have done something correctly when you wanted them to. How about you consider other people instead.

You are ignoring reality. You accuse me of being an "ableist" despite me saying clearly that physical and mental disability are valid excuses for poor play.

I don't think you're understanding. If someone has something happen in the middle of a fight, that's fine. Things happen. If it's constant throughout the dungeon, enough to make DPS for example be abysmally low for multiple pulls, then the problems need to be solved or the person/people causing the problems need to leave until they can get them solved.

Sorry, but I give my full effort and attention for at least the majority of a dungeon if not the entirety of it every time. I don't queue if I know I won't be able to and I do not accept poor play on my own part. I am considerate because of this. I refuse to be a detriment to the group. People who smoke a joint then queue into a dungeon high and unable to function properly....that's being inconsiderate. As is queuing with any of the other reasons you listed going on regularly.

Think before you queue.

Be considerate of your group and don't intentionally be or remain a negative effect on it.

In the JP community, it is unacceptable to be dead weight. I don't know why some people argue that it's fine here. I'm going to stop carrying obvious apathetic or lazy players and just start autoattacking, then we can all enjoy an 80 minute run while I afk on youtube.

[BigRed5392]

A problem having a solution doesn't not make it a valid reason for what's happening. You say I'm ignoring reality, but you're saying that because some causes have solutions, that means they should never occur. And you're acting like those things are persistent issues. Like someone being distracted is a valid reason when, for example, they're in a boss fight and someone comes into the room to talk to them, and that diverts their attention for a second too long and they don't move out of an AoE in time. Or something on their computer minimized the game and they weren't able to heal the tank at a critical time and they wiped.

Like are you even trying to understand at all. There are varying reasons that explain why someone might not have done something correctly when you wanted them to. How about you consider other people instead.

welcome to what I was dealing with. I used my g/f experiences to point out how their behavior/ behavior of others is causing stress and negativity to others, and that people are lashing out with the assumption that everyone is a toxic player. They just gonna talk circles dude. I feel ya most of those happen to my g.f and myself one time or another.

to everyone else, take a step back and look how rude you're being, if not a bit selfish.

No excuse how most of you are replying....

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Anxiety and horrendous coordination means I suck at everything.

[Kaethra]

You said that being disabled is a good excuse for being a "dead weight", as if people who are "dead weights" are often disabled. Maybe you shouldn't have included it at all. There was no reason to take a stab at disabled people, regardless of what you claim you're implying. I read it, thanks. If you weren't trying to insult disabled people, maybe you should've been more clear. I'm sure all your experience with disabled people would teach you that not everyone understands what you're implying with short sentences that don't have much detail.

You're nitpicking and whiteknighting. Sure what they said was in bad taste. But if we're going to debate him, lets do so on the merits of the discussion itself. Or ignore them.