What is it with some tanks, healers, and dps?

[AmalonStar]

Ok now seems like almost every run I do on my blm either

1) The tank can't seem to hold aggro on groups and I pull mobs off him while I have quelling strikes up and going, or

2) The healer can't always keep up on heals with either groups of mobs or on the boss's or both cases, or

3) the other dps is performing very poorly using spells/abilities in the wrong type of situations like not using thier aoe's on group pulls or using aoe's on single target mobs

I've also been in runs where it's been a combination 2 of the 3 or all three making for a very long and trying run. This has happened while doing the expert roulette, some of the latest content to be released. I know ppl have different skill levels but when they're struggling with basic skills that are taught in the hall of novice how do they get that far into the game and still not know what they're doing?

[Leep]

What's with "role" and their "ineptitude". They're probably just getting used to the class, give them a chance! Not everyone is as good as you.

[Silverquick]

Well... I admit... there is a possibility the game is leveling people a tad too fast... before they really know or understand how to play their characters...

From what I understand the game did not used to be this easy. I've talked with a couple people in my FC and they've said there was no way in hell they could have gone up through the levels as fast as I did.

I am pretty sharp and generally pick things up quickly, and am an MMO and Final Fantasy vet.... but I can't necessarily say all the people coming up through the ranks are... and some of them may have gotten the slingshot treatment so are a little behind.

[Ririta]

Well... I admit... there is a possibility the game is leveling people a tad too fast... before they really know or understand how to play their characters...

From what I understand the game did not used to be this easy. I've talked with a couple people in my FC and they've said there was no way in hell they could have gone up through the levels as fast as I did.

Back then dungeons were much harder than today, holding aggro was harder so even DPS was usually aware of what that little bar next to their name meant, trash mobs hit harder, jobs didn't have the countless buffs that accumultated through the years, etc.

This is the problem with increasing level caps, it will be even worse as the level cap increases again and mid levels are even faster or, heavens forbid, we get jump potions.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Back then dungeons were much harder than today, holding aggro was harder so even DPS was usually aware of what that little bar next to their name meant, trash mobs hit harder, jobs didn't have the countless buffs that accumultated through the years, etc.

This is the problem with increasing level caps, it will be even worse as the level cap increases again and mid levels are even faster or, heavens forbid, we get jump potions.

Jump potions and level cap increases have nothing to do with the diminishing player skill. Heavenward content as a whole was merely tuned to be easier. If Stormblood reinvigorated dungeons and actually required you to be reasonably geared and know your basic rotation, all a jump potion will do is force those players to learn immediately. If they don't and try to lazily push through content, it'll be that much harder and others players may be less silently tolerant.

[Ririta]

Jump potions and level cap increases have nothing to do with the diminishing player skill. Heavenward content as a whole was merely tuned to be easier. If Stormblood reinvigorated dungeons and actually required you to be reasonably geared and know your basic rotation, all a jump potion will do is force those players to learn immediately. If they don't and try to lazily push through content, it'll be that much harder and others players may be less silently tolerant.

Those levels were the best to learn the game's mechanics (32 - 49) as you're slowly getting introduced to different battle mechanics and job abilities, and due to the dungeon nerfs and level cap increase (making people go through them faster due to exp buffs), now there's no "wake up" dungeon where people will think about what they're doing. With HW dungeons (especially Nidhogg's) being probably nerfed, even if Stormblood has harder dungeons we're looking at 80+ gameplay hours of people being trained to not care because the game is too easy.

Even they try to avert this in Stormblood content, we'll run into the same problem that WoW's Cataclysm had with the difficulty dissonance between expansions.

My point is, faster leveling plus dungeon nerfs are leading to a bad difficulty curve.

[IveraIvalice]

The dps might still be learning their stuff but the tank and healer could also be fine at doing their job but the gear is not up to what the rest of the party is. The healer can know what to do but if their gear makes their heals weak it's not skill but stats and if their there in roulette then they are probably there to get their ilvl up. When I tanked when drk first came out I would get into some roulettes with people who has way better gear and even though my ilvl was good for the dungeon, the tank has to be good compared to the parties ilvl not the power of the monsters.

Or it could be that they are returning players that are preparing for stormblood. I am actually in that category, I haven't played seriously in months and I'm way behind. I'm sure I'll get into parties where my ilvl is far lower then the rest of the party. I know how to play drk very well but I can't risk tanking for gear kuz I know I wouldn't be able to hold hate at all anymore

[Faliandra]

You know....I've noticed that a lot of these people are using a Kinna weapon....

Actually, I have made the mistake myself and tried to lvl my monk in the palace of the dead.
And while I'm generally only sticking to very few classes (despite having them all at 60), I can easily say that my MNK comprehension is by far the worst while I feel that i definitely developed at least a basic understanding of every other class I lvled normally by doing dungeons.

It doesnt matter much to me cos MNK never interested me that much and I'll never play it other than getting it to max level, but
PotD definitely messed up my whole understanding of the class. You level up so fast inside, you're getting all sorts of skills thrown at you within minutes and
theres no time to stop and read tooltips. But you do lvl quite fast that way. So in the end, youre 60 with a bunch of skills you have no idea how to use properly.

Say what you will but I think PotD is to blame.

[Unscene]

I'm sorry I'm bad at videogames. I'll try to do better next time.

[Doozer]

OP, have you stopped to ask them why they're performing that way, or perhaps offer them tips? The game doesn't really guide people enough for them to always know how to maximize their potential at any level, and some people just don't know. If you're not going to try to help them, then don't complain about them I guess?