Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[BigRed5392]

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i'm not a liar though, but cool thanks for show casing how bad this community really is. Believe me or not, that is an opinion. But assuming the worst isn't good, nor should be encouraged. I'm not portraying her as a victim. She takes responsibility for her mistakes and apologizes, like i said she left her weeping city run in tears because of her fuck ups.
I was saying this to showcase how bad your attitudes are over a video game. What you said is really bad excuse to treat someone you don't know poorly. I also suggest stop twisting things around. You're assuming a lot.


Should take a step back and read what you just wrote as a reply to me, and as yourself "was this a mature response" because it isn't I never said anyone has to "put up" with my "bad" g/f. She plays the game and has played the game a lot longer then any of you. She asks questions, make mentions she is new to things. She does try to large pull when asked, and apologies for mistakes.

She doesn't go out of her way to berate others, and if she is having a hard time she lets people know, and apologies.
She gets bullied because of other peoples mistakes. Or people try to brute force things she can't handle.

In no way is she a victim though, I just feel bad. And people like you, who enjoy berating other for arbitrary reasons... just stress her out.

And no my g/f isn't a bad tank, she does try hard to keep aggro while popping dps moves. Not her fault when 2 dps attack 2 different mobs and healer dpsing a different mob. But ya sure blame my g/f for it.

[Ama_Hamada]

Sorry bud, but I dont buy your stories.

You're constantly portraying your gf as the poor victim, who does everything properly rotationwise and puts in so so much effort,
yet everyone else is a harassing bully for not helping her or not ressing her etc etc etc.If she died a lot, then its probably not worth ressing her. You realize how much MP gets wasted by REPEATEDLY ressing someone during a fight?
+ that person wont even contribute much because they will be at -30% weakness and probably die again before the weakness wears off.

If everyone is calling her bad etc...then that might just be it. Your gf may put effort, but she might still be really bad.
Even if shes using her skills, she may be using them wrong. Even if a healer heals a lot, he may be using the wrong skills at the wrong time, or worse, may be REALLY SLOW.
I'm usually already casting my second heal spell by the time the other healer STARTS to cast a heal even THOUGH I do stance dance and dps a fair bit.

I'm not here to mock her or you,but honestly. Ive read so many posts by you that can basically be summed up with "Gf gets stressed and called bad for putting effort and everyone else is a bully"
Nope, sir, nope. We only know your side of the story and I just dont buy that. Im starting to think shes one of those bad players who doesnt wanna realize shes bad....or simply thinks that everyone HAS to put up with her
despite being bad.

The thing with people raising is that some people are just bad in knowing how to do it and when to do it. I SEE IT IN DUN an awful lot and it is part of the reason I speak about carrying those runs a lot. A lot of times even for the other 2 parties, there be 1 healer dead and no one bothers to raise them so I do. It is not like this person repeatedly dies, just no one is bothering. (Or the fact there are people that still do not have swiftcast)

I never seen anyone where it was more worth it to keep it dead. My friend that I speak a lot about is also heals a lot and she only saw it happen one time. Her and another healer friend entered niddy MSQ when it was new still. There was this one BLM who stood out that seemed to be lacking in skill and the cause of failure to make DPS check. Seeing that my friend poured on the effort to DPS as much as she could to make up for the gap. After they passed that phase, that blm ended up dying a lot, where both my healer friends had enough of it and ended up concluding the BLM was better off dead because it was too much to heal them and too much mp to raise them. They ended up voting abandoning anyway because the BLM was that much of a problem. My WHM friend was a bit shocked they didn't simply kick the blm but said the group may of felt it could be reported is kick abuse and just passed the abandon vote.

Point is, it is unlikely they where leaving her dead because they had to, more likely it is out of grief or not knowing how to raise, something me and my friend seen a lot more happening. My friend heals a lot, it is her most played job, she she only had to keep someone dead as it was more valuable that way then having them alive, one time, just once.. ever.. and it was when niddy was new, something a lot of people had trouble doing.

With that said.. @ BigRed5392... you might wanan tell yer GF sometin...
When there are fights where there is expected a lot of unavoidable AoE damage people will put of casting raise when swiftcast is down (good healers know when it is bad to raise and hard cast raise) There are times I put off raise because knowing there is a high chance they may die again, I make sure people are at full after the phase THEN I raise them because guess what? afterwards I have to baby them and heal them up. if I do this in a middle of AoE spam it is likely someone will die from, me focusing on the person that is being raised not die again, someone else does, or they simply die again. Someone got mad at my healer friend for being forced not to raise someone right away on niddy a few weeks ago because her co was simply bad and had to basically solo heal most of the heavy hitting stuff. Basically she can't expect people to raise her at select points because there needs to be a full focus on keeping people alive.

Once she had a situation in diadam where one healer D/ced while the other wanted to heal while in cleric stance. So she commented on it, forget what was said, then they refused to raise her. She returned then when the other healer connected, who also ended up healing her slow, so much so it prevented her from trying to turn in a collectable fate, she just said "I could of done that if I got healed" then that other healer said something like "fine I will not heal you" after dying again she just changed to WHM from having enough, then they mocker her over the job change =/

[Felis]

Either allow the harassment of ALL roles or do something to >stop< the harassment of ALL roles

Harassment to any role is not allowed, i think

[Kaethra]

No...
When you are sitting there healing more then you should, things taking longer to die, it is very easy to notice there is an issue without taking time away with doing your thing. If you are talking about someone simply performing well and not "elitist best" then ya you have a point.

When you are healing and you see people's cast bars, never showing Fire II you know there is a problem. If you see one monster dying super fast as the others are sitting on large amount of hp, someone is not aoe/ lacking AoE damage. You don't have to study someone to know someone is doing something wrong.

And this matters why in a PUG?

Like I said, I'll just boot people who complain about stupid stuff. I've done two already in the last week. If you think your run is 'ruined' because it took an extra minute, wait till you have to wait in the queue again. I don't give a damn how good one thinks they are. They're doing 0 DPS waiting in a queue.

And it seems like word is getting out because I've noticed this normally doesn't happen. You're in the minority.

[SenorPatty]

Parsing doesn't work for random groups, on a social and gameplay context. It does great when its isolated within a group that knows each others roles, strength and weaknesses and more importantly, when one or more people in that group have great assessment skills.

It's like being/having a coach(player) who has a basketball team (static group) and after practicing or playing a match (raid), they use video replay analytics(parser) to point out where everyone does well and where they don't.

That's where I personally approve it because it has far more chances of fostering goodwill and improvement in a closed group rather than pug/hybrid pug activities.

[Aramina]

All this thread is making me want to do is stand around and just heal and not DPS like I normally do. I want to see just how often I get yelled at, if at all.

Seriously, my curiosity is getting the better of me.

Me too. When I first started playing I didn't DPS and I can count on zero hands how many times I was yelled at (ie it never happened). Over time I got more comfortable with my job/dungeons and started dpsing but I am having a super-hard time believing that people have become SO aggressive that healers are now being harassed for not doing dps.

The only thing holding me back from experimenting is the thought of how bored I would be. :/

[Shougun]

Parsing doesn't work for random groups, on a social and gameplay context.

My experience with parsers in the open came from WoW and there was still of course content where no one (very few) cared about "meh performance" (afking was still an issue), but I was first introduced to it by someone else who suggested it to me and some tips on my rotation (in a random dungeon), as they noticed I was doing stuff but not really in any logical order XD. (basically "trying" but doing it awfully). Was my first MMO. Big tip for new players - really think about your hotbar a good hotbar is so important (and for some a mouse with buttons).

I still kept my solo build as I hated buying talent changes but my DPS sky rocketed, to the point my sub-optimal solo build competed in group content for top ranking when in PUGs (from their tips and being able to evaluate myself).

I've had very good experience with parsers being out in the open, although I understand that they're not all roses and can bring negatives (core of my argument is we already have the negatives that parsers uniquely bring, and the negatives that people already exhibit wont change because that's their personality and not the parser (people already get kicked, or told they don't do well, they just don't have evidence they can share to their claim)).

Largely based off assumptions and anecdotal evidence of course (don't have massive amounts of data), but I'd suggest those who argue against are doing the same thing.. so fair game . Opinions ftw. Like people who say WoW community is just so much worse because of it and other reasons but at least on my server and experience, (in WoW) everyone was significantly more accepting of accidents and were willing to put more time into the content and evaluate issues (which we could because of parsers) when we needed. Vs its not rare for me to see a single wipe on a boss in FFXIV and a whole bunch of vote abandons and leaves happen (even though most of the time the wipe will make it easier next time, like.. seriously we get echo in most content lol).

On an aside I find it fascinating that people are so obsessed with healer and tank DPS but when the parse logs do show up (people link them, here reddit, wherever) most often the worst DPS is not even the job that already has a main duty but one of the DD. Like the tank or healer being complained about is out parsing one of the DD whose only job is to actually to do damage. When I see a log conveniently cut off so it doesn't show the posting player, or all the players, I automatically grow a smile lol. That's the most fun to me XD.

Of course everyone trying to do well is good, not "I shouldn't have to try if you did for me" <- that's bad, and in certain content everyone has to attempt to play better than good (that's not normal content, but like in savage clears without echo it'd be of concern if someone isn't damaging when they could). Try to me = don't let your cat play for you, have some logic to your order but you don't need to be perfect or near it, specially not feel like this is your second job - have fun just make sure you're doing your part that the instance will be cleared without a lot of extra stress (on regular content at least~). Basically if you assume everyone tried as hard as you did, would you clear the instance? If yes, you're good - if no, then maybe you should evaluate why you think you're burdening others? (being new is different than trying).

Still, find it funny and of course it's not always the case a DD is actually the problem, a tank/healer can bring a party down, but its often enough it makes me chuckle when I see complaint threads on healers and tanks.

[Ama_Hamada]

And this matters why in a PUG?

Like I said, I'll just boot people who complain about stupid stuff. I've done two already in the last week. If you think your run is 'ruined' because it took an extra minute, wait till you have to wait in the queue again. I don't give a damn how good one thinks they are. They're doing 0 DPS waiting in a queue.

And it seems like word is getting out because I've noticed this normally doesn't happen. You're in the minority.

excuse me, someone refusing to aoe slows the run down for more then 1 minute. it can lead to wiping if I am sitting there heal dumping the tank for no reason if there is no aoe, why mass pull then? This reply is simply bad. I do not know where you are coming from but if someone is interfering with the success of the run, I have a right to say something without being called "toxic"

Seems like you attitude is part of the problem, tbh, if someone does not even know better from being new you rather just kick them then talking to them?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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If you're heal dumping the tank, you're probably gonna wind up the one being harassed because there's no pull in game that needs endless heal dumping. As a healer, you should be dpsing, not wasting everyone's time heal dumping. o3o

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Short of the proposing harassment, that statement is perfectly okay without the /s lul.

/shrug

I've AFK healer dps'd most every pull with no wipes, so I've never had any issues where people died despite my lack of even paying attention.

[Greedalox]

If you're heal dumping the tank, you're probably gonna wind up the one being harassed because there's no pull in game that needs endless heal dumping. As a healer, you should be dpsing, not wasting everyone's time heal dumping. o3o

/s

Short of the proposing harassment, that statement is perfectly okay without the /s lul.