Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[Campi]

you know, i played tank for over a year now. and as a tank i do have to work harder when the healer does dps. with less heal i have to use my cds and selfheals better, as a drk the mana management is harder when things die faster, especially when the whm stunlocks with holy. i had some case where in arf the stuff died that fast that i simply had no mana left to build aoe enmity, blood price was only every second group up (and of course i had an whm in the party^^ )

of course that's fine, that was the most awesome run ever. but think about it the next time you go full dps: you force other people to play harder as well ^^

I play Tank very often, and i never had problems, when the healer does dps.
No its even better, cause the mobs die faster
You just have to learn, how to use your CDs as Tank

[Kaethra]

The root of the problem is and always has been that players just don't stay in their lanes.

If mobs are dying fast enough that healers don't run out of MP - DPS is fine.
If no one is dying and staying out of telegraphs - Healing is fine.
If mobs are on the tank and not chasing people - Tanking is fine.
If the above are true - The group is fine, sit down and do your role.

The issue comes up when those things are happening and people are taking time away from their role to see what other's are doing and thinking they should do more. The ironic thing is, if you can tell your healer isn't doing damage. You're not doing damage either.

Or when you perceive someone doing something contrary to what you think they should be doing. If the above three things are fine, just keep on going.

I don't understand why people in a PUG can't simply do their role and shut the hell up. What you do or say in your guild groups or statics is your business, but leave it there. If it makes you all feel better, take the following as a threat: if I see people messing with healers that are doing fine, I will boot you. I've done it to two people already since I've come back to the game. I usually run with a tank friend so you are SCREWED if you tick me off.

Its easy not to tick me off though. If you're a DPS just DPS you'll likely even get a Comm if I don't have to fix too many of your mistakes. If my buddy decides to DPS and you're a tank, hold agro. I don't even care if you pull like a madman, just hold the threat and don't pull more than you can handle. But if you pipe up about something stupid, back to the queue for you. Its not even negotiable, debatable, or open for discussion. That's just how its going to be. Period.

[LalaRu]

When mobs die faster because healer's dps, there is something terribly wrong with the dps guys you have in party.

[Reap00]

The man that makes decisions for this game has decided that parsers will do more harm than good to this community. I agree 100%. This subject has been beat to death in many threads with the same result. Stop your purple faced crying children. You can attempt to breach it with any clever approach/title you want. You are not getting a parser in game. Grow up. Move on.

[St0rmchild]

The man that makes decisions for this game has decided that parsers will do more harm than good to this community. I agree 100%. This subject has been beat to death in many threads with the same result. Stop your purple faced crying children. You can attempt to breach it with any clever approach/title you want. You are not getting a parser in game. Grow up. Move on.

^ this.

FWIW -if- there had to be a way to visibly see your dps, it ought to be on Stone Sky Sea as a post-trial report ... something like "you took n time to deal x damage, for an average y dps."

[Kaethra]

The man that makes decisions for this game has decided that parsers will do more harm than good to this community. I agree 100%. This subject has been beat to death in many threads with the same result. Stop your purple faced crying children. You can attempt to breach it with any clever approach/title you want. You are not getting a parser in game. Grow up. Move on.

You need to read more than just a thread title.

The idea is that if the 'head man' says parsers aren't good for the community, why doesn't he make a similar decision for harassing healers (or any role for that matter)?

My point is if a DPS is whining about a healer. The whines they are typing out could be used to 1-2-3-4-6 or whatever their rotation is. I don't need a parser to tell that when they're typing BS out, that they're not doing damage simultaneously. The more a DPS types crap into chat, the less damage they are doing. That's just a fact.

A bootable one IMO.

[Campi]

When mobs die faster because healer's dps, there is something terribly wrong with the dps guys you have in party.

simple math
Mobs die faster when the healer dps
why? because one more do dps
3+1=4
3+0=3
do you understand now?

[Sebazy]

This is the same man that put in A4S amongst others, aka content that absolutely 100% required parsing within a group to beat.

If this game wasn't so wishy washy and vague with how it presented damage, I'd be more inclined to agree.

At the end of the day, genuinely harassing anyone for whatever reason isn't really acceptable. It's a game, people are here to have fun and as stated multiple times, different folks can have staggeringly different levels of play. Some simply aren't up to the task and thus would take risks and cause issues attempting to play a style they aren't comfortable with.

HOWEVER

The special snowflake syndrome on display at times is frankly nothing but hilarious. I mean it truely is pathetic. I'd be ashamed to google some of this stuff down the line and see my name put to it. The auto engagement of 'butthurt' mode when others try to make suggestions no matter how reasonable and well approached is flat out sad. I pug rather a lot and I see way more of that than I'd like. It's not a healer only thing by any stretch. I've seen it with DPS, I've seen it with tanks. The attitude on show here wouldn't get someone past Valkurm beach in FFXI, it's amazing at how much this game encourages it.

The bottom line in my eyes:

If someone comes at you with a 'lol git gud' or 'lol dps moar' then sod them, they aren't worth the time of day. Move on.

If someone comes at you with polite and well constructed advice on how you could improve your game, don't cry harassment and foul parser play, instead consider listening and paying attention. It might just make you a better player for it.

[Misutoraru]

if you set up a party with PF, you set your own rule
but if you queue with DF, the healer have zero idea how other 3 random strangers skill level, how well they equip and who good they play, so just mind your own business in DF, you probably wont see the same people again in a short period of time

[Kaethra]

If someone comes at you with polite and well constructed advice on how you could improve your game, don't cry harassment and foul parser play, instead consider listening and paying attention. It might just make you a better player for it.

This is a good point. And truth be told, people crying over being a victim when they actually aren't is another pet peeve of mine. I haven't seen too much of it lately though in game. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Maybe even be more so than the so called harassment brought up in the thread.

Confirmation bias is what it is. Something we all have to be mindful of.