Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[Rokke]

I'm not portraying her as a victim.

She gets bullied because of other peoples mistakes. Or people try to brute force things she can't handle.

In no way is she a victim though.

Not her fault when 2 dps attack 2 different mobs and healer dpsing a different mob.

So is she a victim or is she not lol

[Kaethra]

excuse me, someone refusing to aoe slows the run down for more then 1 minute. it can lead to wiping if I am sitting there heal dumping the tank for no reason if there is no aoe, why mass pull then? This reply is simply bad. I do not know where you are coming from but if someone is interfering with the success of the run, I have a right to say something without being called "toxic"

Seems like you attitude is part of the problem, tbh, if someone does not even know better from being new you rather just kick them then talking to them?

If you say something I determine to be stupid, you will thrown back to the queue. I've already said, its not open to discussion or debate. It's simply fact. Read what I said prior, you might even agree. If not well that's your choice. I've made mine.

[Dualgunner]

If you say something I determine to be stupid, you will thrown back to the queue. I've already said, its not open to discussion or debate. It's simply fact. Read what I said prior, you might even agree. If not well that's your choice. I've made mine.

*throws you back to the queue*

[Tint]

Harassment to any role is not allowed, i think

i know that.

but then we have lots of topics like this one: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-out-of-AoEs. which seems to only exist to harass bad healers, especially with this statement from the OP:

And that's fine but healers who refuse to DPS at all are a plague on this game.

Plague

1. an epidemic disease that causes high mortality; pestilence

2. an infectious, epidemic disease caused by bacterium, Yersinia pestis, characterized by fever, chills and prostation, transmitted to humans from rats by means of the bites of fleas.

3. an widespread affliciton, calamity, or evil, especially one regarded as a direct punishment of God: a plague of war and desolation.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/plague

that's not telling people to git gud, thats harassing. and since stuff like this is happening for years now on the official boards, it seems to be okay to harass bad healers...

[Alerion]

Don't worry, the Great Healer Drought of 2017-2019 will have them begging for anyone to heal! We'll all be too busy being Samurais and Red Mages to worry about that whole healing thing.

Serious note though, I still support at least personal parsers. I find it fun, fight me.

[Ilan]

Yep, I can see where OP is comming from. Right now Healers are forced to dps or else they will be kicked/verbal abuse etc, because it will make the dungeon run go faster, but part of me wonders if the reason the dungeons take alot longer when healers do not deal damage is, because of low dps from damage dealers? I noticed often that DPS do not use their the skills that increase their dps and some also do not use certain skills like Heavy Thrust or the ones where they put a debuff so X or Y type of attack (slashing, piercing etc) can deal more damage, which increases the overall dps of the group.

I agree that healers that are doing nothing during combat, should dps, I do it aswell and it helps the group, but I feel that we should also talk about underpreforming dpsers and how we can help them improve. You dont need a tool to see that some of the dpsers are underpreforming, but maybe a official parser could help this community.

I've never seen a healer getting kicked of flamed for not dpsing. If a healer just heals me if he has to and otherwhise just jumps around or stares in the air, i will make him heal.

I don't understand how someone can just stand around as healer and wait until he has to heal a bit, thats just damn boring.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I've never seen a healer getting kicked of flamed for not dpsing.

I've seen it. Happens at least five times a night just from what I see.

[Alerion]

I've seen it. Happens at least five times a night just from what I see.

Five.. daily? Okay this is the part where you tell me a joke went over my head, lol. The only way I see this being true is if you're the one flaming and/or kicking them in all your groups.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Five.. daily? Okay this is the part where you tell me a joke went over my head, lol. The only way I see this being true is if you're the one flaming and/or kicking them in all your groups.

I spend a lot of time running instances back to back for lights on my various relic weapons, anywhere from 4-6 hours straight some days. I don't care if healers dps or not, since my only concern is doing my job and doing it well, but the other dps/ tank frequently start moaning and whining about it.

[BigRed5392]

With that said.. @ BigRed5392... you might wanan tell yer GF sometin...
When there are fights where there is expected a lot of unavoidable AoE damage people will put of casting raise when swiftcast is down (good healers know when it is bad to raise and hard cast raise) There are times I put off raise because knowing there is a high chance they may die again, I make sure people are at full after the phase THEN I raise them because guess what? afterwards I have to baby them and heal them up. if I do this in a middle of AoE spam it is likely someone will die from, me focusing on the person that is being raised not die again, someone else does, or they simply die again. Someone got mad at my healer friend for being forced not to raise someone right away on niddy a few weeks ago because her co was simply bad and had to basically solo heal most of the heavy hitting stuff. Basically she can't expect people to raise her at select points because there needs to be a full focus on keeping people alive.

Once she had a situation in diadam where one healer D/ced while the other wanted to heal while in cleric stance. So she commented on it, forget what was said, then they refused to raise her. She returned then when the other healer connected, who also ended up healing her slow, so much so it prevented her from trying to turn in a collectable fate, she just said "I could of done that if I got healed" then that other healer said something like "fine I will not heal you" after dying again she just changed to WHM from having enough, then they mocker her over the job change =/

Sorry i was not pointing fault to the healers, but to the attitude of the party. It was weeping city, and it was her first time. She let her party know it was her first time. She was upset at her mistakes, and I was upset the party wasn't helping her out. As in pointing out her what her mistakes were, and how to void it. Even though she has ASD, she has no issue with "you died because of x, this is how you avoid it." or "you job is to do x @ b". I tried to help her out but I was busy with some house work.

She tried to read guides, and watch video but they don't work for her. They are too long drawn how, and she zones out. (she has ADHD and ASD) she is best with short replies as she is doing something. Like in ff11 when she did dynamis the first time, she said the group said "since your job is rdm you do refresh on blm, and help nuke down the statues as they are immune to melee damage. Also if you can help heal the pullers and tanks" She told me that is what she did.

So is she a victim or is she not lol

I never said she was, people/you assumed it based on what i wrote. I'm not a social person, so I apologies for how i wrote it. I'm just trying to point what me and her experiences were like with the NA community and how bad you guys really sound. You don't think you do, as you believe you are correct. In our experiences, people are rude for no reason. Like on her first lvl 50, she was pld around the time relic was out and doing her first Amdapor keep run. A healer started to brute force the run to be faster, and my g/f wasn't skilled enough/geared enough to, mass pull the dungeon. The healer in question started to do personal insults over the lack of mass pulls. Pretty much saying she (my g/f) shoulda been a stain on the bed sheets because she isn't doing what the whm wanted.

Pointing out bullying and harassment isn't being a victim.

She doesn't see herself as a victim, just a person trying their best and getting treated like shit for not being good enough. She doesn't think she is a good player, and based how her irl was before i moved her in with me, it was making her asd harder to deal with. She was already getting blamed IrL for everything, and now all of a sudden ppl in game are blaming her for everything.

not 1 person offered her tips to get better. It was just harassment. My g/f would love tips to get better, she plays tank because she loves to help others. Why berate that? If she feels like a burden she will offer to leave, not out of malice, but knowing the group would be better off.

She re-rolled 17+ times just to learn how to tank, just trying to find people willing to help. Again why berate that? She never wants to be carried, hates the term. She never think people should put up with her poor skills, but how is she gonna learn if she just gets harassed in content? How is she gonna learn how to be better if people just insult her not offering tips?

Guides/videos were not helping her.



this is how she tanks:

she ups both grit and darkside, waits for protect. She uses unmend, then positions the group while using unleash 2-3 times based on size. She starts to rotate her enmity combo keeping an eye on each mobs enmity bar. As she does that she pops shadow skin (i think it called that im no drk, it is the first buff drk learn) bloodbath and convalescence (typically her hp is under 60%). she does this via pressing and holding the r2 + the l2 but as her buffs are on the extended xhb. By this time her mp is roughly 50% or less, and does double tap for blood price. After which she starts rotating her dps hp/mp combo, with mix of use of abysmal drain, and salted earth. And when her proc of mercy stroke, and other stuff she does them. And uses cleave and spit/split when it's up.

At times if she has the mp, she will do dark arts+ dark dance Or dark arts+ dark mind. If she has no issue tanking, she will drop grit use blood weapon and do dps combo with dark arts soul eating and dark arts cleave and spit/split.

what end up causing issues is people will run ahead and face pull mobs, or run and pull mobs. At times with a whm, the second she ups blood price due to low mp, the whm would cast holy spam. She even waits to give the whm time to do holy spam as her mp hit 30%, they still start the second she does blood price. At times the dps will pick a mob she didn't unmend, which causes the mob to run to the dps, who will just beat on that mob, even with doing voke/unmend the mob isn't going back to her. In other cases the healer will put regen or the spell equivalent before she can do unleash to the mobs (as they are not in range) which causes the mobs to run to the healer who runs around, not to her. Other times when she does try to do big pulls, the healer will do regen mid pull, as the dps start to dps down the mobs. Which causes both the healer and dps to get hate.

in cases like the above she chases the dps/healer/mobs down while doing unleash which drains her mp.


each time any of these happen, she gets the blame for it when politely addressing it, which she will say "i'm sorry i'm not doing my best, but can you give me a chance to pull and position before going ham" or something of that nature. Again the other group members pull the "git gud" card stating it's an easy dungeon, and that she sucks. That they are not at fault, and it is all on her.

She feels bad enough about not being a super tank like people claim to be here on the forums... but why give attitudes like that a pass? how can she fix what to do when she tries everything? And nothing seems to work, and no matter what is blamed.

She is no victim, but how do you deal with this. And /vote kick not an option as he tried that and it never goes through.