I280 weapons were a mistake

[Xerek]

If your goal is to have the best weapon for your job, which at this point doesn't even matter much for savage content, then go do Diadem.

Like honest question. If 5 ilvl's is the difference between you clearing A12S or not, then are we sure it's not a "the static is trash" situation?

You don't understand someone working to get the best weapon in the game. And you don't respect the feelings of players trying for it. I can't explain it any way other then I did and I'm not going to copy/paste yet again. There was one reason only that I bothered with the anima, and SE killed it after just nine days.

[Jijifli]

If it was 275 there would at the very least be precedent for it. They pulled the same stunt in diadem the first time, but then admitted that the Gordian weapons should have been 215 and stated that the 210 relic was the hell it was to make it equal to the effort of beating Gordias.

This new fiasco shows that not only did they not learn a damn thing from last time, but they went back on their own philosophies. The most damning thing of it all is that Creator Savage is still on loot lockout, and there's at least one more patch left in the expansion

If they did this on the first of June, or even the middle of may, nobody would care. We'd just be coasting to the expansion then. However now, when we don't even have our casual murdering Steps of Faith expansion gate boss is just way too soon

They pulled the same stunt with 210 equips during 210 content? Which, like I said, was complained about just as hard, if not harder, than these 280 weapons? Despite being on par item level with upgrade tome gear? That's why I say even at 270 these threads would exist, because that's on par with upgraded tome gear, which was the complaint about 210 equips.

Also, people would complain about it if it came in june, because we're still be in Heavensward. People wouldn't complain about if they did it after Stormblood, because people would go, "What's a Diadem?" on mention of it. I can tell you after we got 230 gear there were people that forgot Diadem was a thing, even after complaining over 210 gear like it was the death of XIV.

You don't understand someone working to get the best weapon in the game. And you don't respect the feelings of players trying for it. I can't explain it any way other then I did and I'm not going to copy/paste yet again. There was one reason only that I bothered with the anima, and SE killed it after just nine days.

You bothered with it because you thought it was going to be BiS, despite how in 3 months it would just be glamour. Again, if you are upset, honestly crying at the keyboard over it, you can leave. Your sub, not mine, I can't make you stay. However, you're missing a specific thing.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY in the entire game is going to leave you out of content for not having this Diadem weapon. Unless it has a cool appearance tied with it, everyone is going to forget about it in 3 months tops. Meanwhile, for 5 less, you got a questline to watch a weapon you nurtured grow, from a small little 170 weapon looking exactly like eso gear, to a unique, beautiful, glowing model that shows your determination with the achievements and bragging points to back it up. This is also coupled with the fact that because you did your anima, the Stormblood version will allow you to obtain an advantage that anyone who didn't bother to do won't obtain, and you'll be able to use this item still for some time afterwords. In fact, I bet come Stormblood, you'll replace both of these items on the exact same quest, showing how little of a difference it makes at the end of the day.

Honestly I'm surprised you didn't quit when they nerfed all the steps you completed, considering that wasted your time too since anyone that waited didn't have to do ARF 1000 times like you did.

[Aquaslash]

You don't understand someone working to get the best weapon in the game. And you don't respect the feelings of players trying for it. I can't explain it any way other then I did and I'm not going to copy/paste yet again. There was one reason only that I bothered with the anima, and SE killed it after just nine days.

I'm in the same boat as this guy. I had the personal goal of having multiple jobs being BiS before the expansion hit, and at least in the case of Dragoon, took a gamble on the relic vs the raid weapon. Might have won the last one seeing as the creator spear is hot garbage. But my DrG BiS lasted all of two days (needed two ultima drops) before being invalidated by an update that pretty much says my goal will never happen.

However, while I can ultimately get over my personal losses, I'm more upset by the principle of it all. What's the point in working to cultivate skill or expending time and effort into anything if they're just gonna hand out freebies while the content is still active? Most of all, what will be the point of doing the Relic in Stormblood? It's not even good glamour because the Zetas overall are MUCH better looking. Areadbahr Lux ain't got shit on Longinus Zeta, Ragnarok is still the best looking axe in the game, and Excalibur just very well may be the best looking sword in the history of ever (though Aetir is a very fine attempt), and then there's Ninja...'nuff said there

[Xerek]

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Nope, I knew it would be nerfed, I could have waited. And the nerfs made it easier for people to get the same weapon as me. My goal, and I'll say it yet again, was to have a BiS from final step until SB. I don't care if things were/are made easier for others. What I care about is that they decided to make the anima I worked on no longer BiS because the new Diadem is so awful they have to lure people in with an uber-god weapon.

[MicahZerrshia]

I don't even understand what the point is to get i280 weapons, I mean if it drops great, if not its no big. Its not like we are getting anymore bigger and better content that it will be useful on anymore at this point. They are just going to be glamour or traded for gc seals in a couple months.

If SE gave me a reason to get this in a utility sense it would be great and I would grind one out but I really don't see the point of putting a i280 weapon into diadem instead of a i275 one unless they were so unsure of their own design they felt they needed to put the highest ilvl stuff in there rather then making equal to top raid gear for it to be another avenue to gear. That and just to spit on relic holders like they did at the end of ARR. "The relics will always be relevant! ...as glamour teehee"

This would have been great about 6 months ago when it was actually useful to be able to gear multiple jobs cause you were going to actually use them for stuff. Now it just looks like they don't feel they released content good enough to do without the highest of rewards possible.

[Jijifli]

Nope, I knew it would be nerfed, I could have waited. And the nerfs made it easier for people to get the same weapon as me. My goal, and I'll say it yet again, was to have a BiS from final step until SB. I don't care if things were/are made easier for others. What I care about is that they decided to make the anima I worked on no longer BiS because the new Diadem is so awful they have to lure people in with an uber-god weapon.

But is the 280 weapon not makings things easier for others? They don't have to grind out a questline, therefor in your eyes, it's easier (And honestly is, I'll admit.)

Although I would love to see where Anima's were stated as Best in Slot by Square, since I don't recall them saying that (Which meant nothing was broken.)

[Aquaslash]

unless they were so unsure of their own design they felt they needed to put the highest ilvl stuff in there rather then making equal to top raid gear for it to be another avenue to gear. That and just to spit on relic holders like they did at the end of ARR. "The relics will always be relevant! ...as glamour teehee"

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This is what this decision tells me. Cause we all know, at the end of the day they could have just made the diadem fun. I guarantee if it was enjoyable content, people would do it with NO reward. But Nope, gotta have FATE grinding for the 98st time

[Jijifli]

This is what this decision tells me. Cause we all know, at the end of the day they could have just made the diadem fun. I guarantee if it was enjoyable content, people would do it with NO reward. But Nope, gotta have FATE grinding for the 98st time

So if we removed all gear potential you can get from expert, you'd still do expert?

And your previous roulettes? Like Main Scenario?

Because if so, then you don't need your anima weapon or savage weapon. Because it was about the fun content, right? Otherwise you wouldn't have done it.

[MicahZerrshia]

So if we removed all gear potential you can get from expert, you'd still do expert?

And your previous roulettes? Like Main Scenario?

Because if so, then you don't need your anima weapon or savage weapon. Because it was about the fun content, right? Otherwise you wouldn't have done it.

No, what he is saying is they had to make the rewards better than anything out there currently because they know the system is so flawed that it would only get attention from the playerbase in a large enough number the justify redoing it by putting top ranked gear in it instead of making the gear the same ilvl with random stats so they diadem is another avenue to gear alt (sometimes main) jobs.

They use FATES as a crutch. They are the most highly complained about content in the game and they just cannot stop forcing them down our collective throats.

[Jijifli]

No, what he is saying is they had to make the rewards better than anything out there currently because they know the system is so flawed that it would only get attention from the playerbase in a large enough number the justify redoing it by putting top ranked gear in it instead of making the gear the same ilvl with random stats so they diadem is another avenue to gear alt (sometimes main) jobs.

They use FATES as a crutch. They are the most highly complained about content in the game and they just cannot stop forcing them down our collective throats.

He said people would do Diadem even if there was nothing in it, if it was fun.

So I'm asking if he finds other content he does fun, and would do it if there was absolutely no reward out of it. Since if he, for example, found the questline for anima fun, then he shouldn't be worried about the reward because it's the experience that counts.