I280 weapons were a mistake

[Jijifli]

I'm getting tired of repeating myself, so you get a lazy copy/paste...

"See prior response. If I wanted a very good weapon, I would have gone with Triad/Kinna/Script weapons. The only reason I put the work into the anima was because it was supposed to be the best at the end, until SB. And then, just nine days after completion, it's not. I do not have a BiS weapon up until SB, I have a very good one. See the second sentence regarding very good."

Okay, let me help then.

If they made it 275, you'd all still complain because it's on par. If it was any lower, you all wouldn't do the content because there's be the point in it.

Know how I have proof of this? Look at Diadem's first release and the forums about that. People cried even harder about 210 gear because it made raiders waste time, since they could have just done Diadem. So even at 275 weapons these posts wouldn't change. I actually even bet these thread's would still exist if it was 270.

[Xerek]

Okay, let me help then.

If they made it 275, you'd all still complain because it's on par. If it was any lower, you all wouldn't do the content because there's be the point in it.

Know how I have proof of this? Look at Diadem's first release and the forums about that. People cried even harder about 210 gear because it made raiders waste time, since they could have just done Diadem. So even at 275 weapons these posts wouldn't change. I actually even bet these thread's would still exist if it was 270.

Don't speak for me. I built my anima to be BiS. So long as it still is, I would not be upset. i275, i270...I wouldn't be upset because I still met my goal.

[Jijifli]

Don't speak for me. I built my anima to be BiS. So long as it still is, I would not be upset. i275, i270...I wouldn't be upset because I still met my goal.

If your goal is to have the best weapon for your job, which at this point doesn't even matter much for savage content, then go do Diadem.

Like honest question. If 5 ilvl's is the difference between you clearing A12S or not, then are we sure it's not a "the static is trash" situation?

[Xerek]

If your goal is to have the best weapon for your job, which at this point doesn't even matter much for savage content, then go do Diadem.

Like honest question. If 5 ilvl's is the difference between you clearing A12S or not, then are we sure it's not a "the static is trash" situation?

You don't understand someone working to get the best weapon in the game. And you don't respect the feelings of players trying for it. I can't explain it any way other then I did and I'm not going to copy/paste yet again. There was one reason only that I bothered with the anima, and SE killed it after just nine days.

[Aquaslash]

You don't understand someone working to get the best weapon in the game. And you don't respect the feelings of players trying for it. I can't explain it any way other then I did and I'm not going to copy/paste yet again. There was one reason only that I bothered with the anima, and SE killed it after just nine days.

I'm in the same boat as this guy. I had the personal goal of having multiple jobs being BiS before the expansion hit, and at least in the case of Dragoon, took a gamble on the relic vs the raid weapon. Might have won the last one seeing as the creator spear is hot garbage. But my DrG BiS lasted all of two days (needed two ultima drops) before being invalidated by an update that pretty much says my goal will never happen.

However, while I can ultimately get over my personal losses, I'm more upset by the principle of it all. What's the point in working to cultivate skill or expending time and effort into anything if they're just gonna hand out freebies while the content is still active? Most of all, what will be the point of doing the Relic in Stormblood? It's not even good glamour because the Zetas overall are MUCH better looking. Areadbahr Lux ain't got shit on Longinus Zeta, Ragnarok is still the best looking axe in the game, and Excalibur just very well may be the best looking sword in the history of ever (though Aetir is a very fine attempt), and then there's Ninja...'nuff said there

[Aquaslash]

Okay, let me help then.

If they made it 275, you'd all still complain because it's on par. If it was any lower, you all wouldn't do the content because there's be the point in it.

Know how I have proof of this? Look at Diadem's first release and the forums about that. People cried even harder about 210 gear because it made raiders waste time, since they could have just done Diadem. So even at 275 weapons these posts wouldn't change. I actually even bet these thread's would still exist if it was 270.

If it was 275 there would at the very least be precedent for it. They pulled the same stunt in diadem the first time, but then admitted that the Gordian weapons should have been 215 and stated that the 210 relic was the hell it was to make it equal to the effort of beating Gordias.

This new fiasco shows that not only did they not learn a damn thing from last time, but they went back on their own philosophies. The most damning thing of it all is that Creator Savage is still on loot lockout, and there's at least one more patch left in the expansion

If they did this on the first of June, or even the middle of may, nobody would care. We'd just be coasting to the expansion then. However now, when we don't even have our casual murdering Steps of Faith expansion gate boss is just way too soon

[Jijifli]

If it was 275 there would at the very least be precedent for it. They pulled the same stunt in diadem the first time, but then admitted that the Gordian weapons should have been 215 and stated that the 210 relic was the hell it was to make it equal to the effort of beating Gordias.

This new fiasco shows that not only did they not learn a damn thing from last time, but they went back on their own philosophies. The most damning thing of it all is that Creator Savage is still on loot lockout, and there's at least one more patch left in the expansion

If they did this on the first of June, or even the middle of may, nobody would care. We'd just be coasting to the expansion then. However now, when we don't even have our casual murdering Steps of Faith expansion gate boss is just way too soon

They pulled the same stunt with 210 equips during 210 content? Which, like I said, was complained about just as hard, if not harder, than these 280 weapons? Despite being on par item level with upgrade tome gear? That's why I say even at 270 these threads would exist, because that's on par with upgraded tome gear, which was the complaint about 210 equips.

Also, people would complain about it if it came in june, because we're still be in Heavensward. People wouldn't complain about if they did it after Stormblood, because people would go, "What's a Diadem?" on mention of it. I can tell you after we got 230 gear there were people that forgot Diadem was a thing, even after complaining over 210 gear like it was the death of XIV.

You don't understand someone working to get the best weapon in the game. And you don't respect the feelings of players trying for it. I can't explain it any way other then I did and I'm not going to copy/paste yet again. There was one reason only that I bothered with the anima, and SE killed it after just nine days.

You bothered with it because you thought it was going to be BiS, despite how in 3 months it would just be glamour. Again, if you are upset, honestly crying at the keyboard over it, you can leave. Your sub, not mine, I can't make you stay. However, you're missing a specific thing.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY in the entire game is going to leave you out of content for not having this Diadem weapon. Unless it has a cool appearance tied with it, everyone is going to forget about it in 3 months tops. Meanwhile, for 5 less, you got a questline to watch a weapon you nurtured grow, from a small little 170 weapon looking exactly like eso gear, to a unique, beautiful, glowing model that shows your determination with the achievements and bragging points to back it up. This is also coupled with the fact that because you did your anima, the Stormblood version will allow you to obtain an advantage that anyone who didn't bother to do won't obtain, and you'll be able to use this item still for some time afterwords. In fact, I bet come Stormblood, you'll replace both of these items on the exact same quest, showing how little of a difference it makes at the end of the day.

Honestly I'm surprised you didn't quit when they nerfed all the steps you completed, considering that wasted your time too since anyone that waited didn't have to do ARF 1000 times like you did.

[Xerek]

*snip*

Nope, I knew it would be nerfed, I could have waited. And the nerfs made it easier for people to get the same weapon as me. My goal, and I'll say it yet again, was to have a BiS from final step until SB. I don't care if things were/are made easier for others. What I care about is that they decided to make the anima I worked on no longer BiS because the new Diadem is so awful they have to lure people in with an uber-god weapon.

[Jijifli]

Nope, I knew it would be nerfed, I could have waited. And the nerfs made it easier for people to get the same weapon as me. My goal, and I'll say it yet again, was to have a BiS from final step until SB. I don't care if things were/are made easier for others. What I care about is that they decided to make the anima I worked on no longer BiS because the new Diadem is so awful they have to lure people in with an uber-god weapon.

But is the 280 weapon not makings things easier for others? They don't have to grind out a questline, therefor in your eyes, it's easier (And honestly is, I'll admit.)

Although I would love to see where Anima's were stated as Best in Slot by Square, since I don't recall them saying that (Which meant nothing was broken.)

[Xerek]

But is the 280 weapon not makings things easier for others? They don't have to grind out a questline, therefor in your eyes, it's easier (And honestly is, I'll admit.)

Although I would love to see where Anima's were stated as Best in Slot by Square, since I don't recall them saying that (Which meant nothing was broken.)

Let me just quote myself...again...

"What I care about is that they decided to make the anima I worked on no longer BiS because the new Diadem is so awful they have to lure people in with an uber-god weapon."

And relic was BiS from the time it was finished until Heavensward. The anima would have followed suit until they realized the Diadem was terrible and needed a big enough carrot to draw people to the cesspool.