Is our sub fee not enought

[Skivvy]

That mindset is why DLC is the norm these days. lol

These are a couple examples of how DLC costs can add up


Just those two games alone. And this isn't including the rest of the games I have on Steam, as well as my console games.

I only managed to get to the top of page 4 of XIV's optional items page before I screwed up on the calculator, but my tally so far was $549.99. I tried to leave out duplicates (only added female version of outfits, single dye options, full item sets vs. individual items, left off weddings as there is a free version). They have 7 pages total. When I'm off of work I'll have to try again and hopefully I won't fat finger again. lol

[Skivvy]

So basically its just a bunch of anti business people here because look around there are zero sub based games with no cash shop, its hardly any sub games left period.

What a load of absolute rubbish. I am all for businesses, but they have to learn how to not gouge their customers if they want to keep people happy.

Is it that time of day where we just start throwing around crazy accusations?

[Shougun]

I only managed to get to the top of page 4 of XIV's optional items page before I screwed up on the calculator, but my tally so far was $549.99. I tried to leave out duplicates (only added female version of outfits, single dye options, full item sets vs. individual items, left off weddings as there is a free version). They have 7 pages total. When I'm off of work I'll have to try again and hopefully I won't fat finger again. lol

I really dislike that, again someone correct me if I'm wrong, that they don't give you the achievement but rather the specific item all divided out (which means you can lose it too, vs achievement where you can obtain it again). Imo, you should be able to purchase the calamity salvage rights (via the achievement), and of course get the item in the mail. The whole pick a specific sex thing seems really customer gouging to me. Although I could see them raising the price to purchase achievement slightly because of the unlock like that - since some achievements unlock many costumes at once, basically you're purchasing the whole event in one go.

[Kosmos992k]

Personally, I am of the opinion that the Cash shop is here to stay (unfortunately), but there is one thing that *must* change.

The cost of things like mounts, outfits and emotes is too high - especially where these things are limited to a single character. I mean hells bells, paying two months full sub for an outfit, and only one of my characters can wear it? Dammit SE I pay a full sub to have more characters, Stop cheaping out and let these things be account wide - we already pay more for more characters.

At very least switch to two tier pricing with the current full price being the price for account wide and a price 40-50% lower being the single character price. I'd imagine that this would actually increase your business because people turned off by paying so much for single character things, would be more likely to buy with the increased value of making them account wide; and people turned off by the cost completely would have a less expensive option for a single character.

Sounds like a win-win.

It's $7 for an emote that in the past would have been added as a quest reward, and it's not even account-wide. Think about dollar value here, for crying out loud... $7 in the free-to-play game I play takes me a LOT further, and that game didn't start putting basic emotes in the cash shop. PLUS everything is account-wide there.

Also, this is not a free-to-play game; we already are required to pay a monthly sub to access it.

Indeed. I mean as I said above, the cash shop is here to stay, I think that is inevitable. However the gouging us by charging so highly for an emote - on a single character is just bad. I think it's bad business as I suggested above. I mean if I pay full sub I can have multiple characters on a server, up to 40 characters in total, imagine if I wanted that emote across them all, $280. Not gonna happen. For that matter, why would I spend half a month's sub (for all 40 characters) on an emote I can use on only 1 character?

Holy crap for that matter two emotes together cost as much as ARR does when on sale, where's the value again? The prices are just too damn high - especially for single character things.

[Stormrider]

But who writes the rules on what a game can and can not do

The consumer. It is clear how some consumers feel. Two on the house? Last time I checked I can't earn anything on the house.

Three lets talk value since you brought up what we received for our monthly sub. How does 7 equal out to what we have received. This comes up with the moogle mount. It is only 30 dollars. One second on amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._i=468642&th=1 So a full game is equal to a mount. It is not about companies making money. It is about abusing customers. I am sure you will never get that. I feel sorry for people who have little understanding of value. It is why companies can charge 300% mark up for medicines.

[Teryaani]

At very least switch to two tier pricing with the current full price being the price for account wide and a price 40-50% lower being the single character price. I'd imagine that this would actually increase your business because people turned off by paying so much for single character things, would be more likely to buy with the increased value of making them account wide; and people turned off by the cost completely would have a less expensive option for a single character.

Sounds like a win-win.

They could accomplish this by going the Blizzard route and having minions, mounts, appearances, and cheevos account wide.

[Kosmos992k]

They could accomplish this by going the Blizzard route and having minions, mounts, appearances, and cheevos account wide.

I'd find the Mogstation much more acceptable if all non-consumable items were account wide. $7 for an emote is far more reasonable across my account, but on one character it's just ridiculous. And I'm saying that while Kos has the Chinese dress. That product should absolutely have been account wide. The summer promotional items were all account wide and they were free, this one outfit (Chinese Dress) was both expensive and limited to a single character. It almost makes me wish I hadn't bought the thing.

[Belhi]

What a load of absolute rubbish. I am all for businesses, but they have to learn how to not gouge their customers if they want to keep people happy.

Is it that time of day where we just start throwing around crazy accusations?

Is there any content you can not play with just your sub? Are they failing to produce new armour and glamour sets every patch?

I have an issue with Cash Shops if the developer is failing to produce content at a regular basis. FF14 doesn't do that. They give as a huge number of new sets, mounts, minions and emotes every 3 and a half months save for expansion launches and very rare occasions.

There is a difference between gouging you customers and trying to establish additional revenue streams. Ever asked for a new feature for FF14? The money for that has to come from somewhere. How would you suggest they make additional revenue to cover additional features?

The consumer. It is clear how some consumers feel. Two on the house? Last time I checked I can't earn anything on the house.

Three lets talk value since you brought up what we received for our monthly sub. How does 7 equal out to what we have received. This comes up with the moogle mount. It is only 30 dollars. One second on amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._i=468642&th=1 So a full game is equal to a mount. It is not about companies making money. It is about abusing customers. I am sure you will never get that. I feel sorry for people who have little understanding of value. It is why companies can charge 300% mark up for medicines.

These aren't the same as medicines. Medicines are usually a necessity. Games and everything tied to them are luxuries. People can get by very easily without buying them and if people weren't paying what they are charging they wouldn't be pricing them that way.

No one is being forced to buy Cash Shop items. They are completely unnecessary to play the game.

[Kaedan]

"On the house" - NOTHING in this game is free. We are required to pay a sub to access it.

If FFXIV is going to put increasingly more items in the shop rather than do what they have in the past and release them directly to the game for only our sub fee, then yes - I would prefer they go free-to-play, because I do not agree that they should be able to double-dip as they have.

There are plenty of exclusive items in the cash shop... it's not a recent thing at all. The point that you seem to be missing is that they are all cosmetic and/or can be earned in game (dyes, old event items).

Just because you want something in the cash shop doesn't mean that you're entitled to it. No more than you were entitled to any of the special glamours or mounts that have been released so far. In the real world, that means SE is doing their job properly as a business. They are correctly incentivizing if they have made you want to buy something.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

[Aniond]

If I like the items offered in the Mog House then I buy them. 15 dollars a month is nothing. I love this game and the time I put into it therefor I purchase the items to support SE. The more funding they receive the better the content. I have never seen a developer as dedicate as Yoshi is.