Is our sub fee not enought

[bswpayton]

It's $7 for an emote that in the past would have been added as a quest reward, and it's not even account-wide. Think about dollar value

Also, this is not a free-to-play game; we already are required to pay a monthly sub to access it.

But who writes the rules on what a game can and can not do, 7 dollars is a burger and a fry and your local burger joint. In the past month we got what two free emotes for our sub the dote emote for vday and now the new dance.

So what your saying is its not enough to have gotten those on the house for our sub but we deserve the other two as well yea for something as small as an emote seven dollars is something I would not pay and Im simply not going to if i buy something from the mog its gona be a mount or something which Ive gotten two. I prob paid two months sub for them together 30 bucks but that was my choice the game already provides plenty of mounts for me for my sub. I guess the better question is what can they sale on the mog station for people to just chill, cause Ive seen post about the odin mount whys it on the mog station put it in game. Then the dresses community says put those in the game we pay our sob, and now this an emote after we just got two on the house put that in the game then.

So basically its just a bunch of anti business people here because look around there are zero sub based games with no cash shop, its hardly any sub games left period. So would you rather the game go free to play and full on cash shop are sale irrelevant things in the mog station to make extra money cause we cant have it both ways. We cant think our 15 dollars a month is gona to be enough for them , and then complain about cash shop, but then on the other hand not want a free to play game. A sub isnt enough in any other game so what makes you think it would be any different on this one. From just doing basic math lets say from our subs alone not counting game purchases 500,000 * 15.00 is only 7.5 million thats not alot in the entertainment world so no our subs isnt enough. And i know thats a stretch cause we dont even have 500 k subs, nor does everyone only pay 15 but its still under 20 million, so cash shop is needed I dont see how anyone doesnt get that.

[Naunet]

now this an emote after we just got two on the house put that in the game then.

"On the house" - NOTHING in this game is free. We are required to pay a sub to access it.

If FFXIV is going to put increasingly more items in the shop rather than do what they have in the past and release them directly to the game for only our sub fee, then yes - I would prefer they go free-to-play, because I do not agree that they should be able to double-dip as they have.

[Kaedan]

"On the house" - NOTHING in this game is free. We are required to pay a sub to access it.

If FFXIV is going to put increasingly more items in the shop rather than do what they have in the past and release them directly to the game for only our sub fee, then yes - I would prefer they go free-to-play, because I do not agree that they should be able to double-dip as they have.

There are plenty of exclusive items in the cash shop... it's not a recent thing at all. The point that you seem to be missing is that they are all cosmetic and/or can be earned in game (dyes, old event items).

Just because you want something in the cash shop doesn't mean that you're entitled to it. No more than you were entitled to any of the special glamours or mounts that have been released so far. In the real world, that means SE is doing their job properly as a business. They are correctly incentivizing if they have made you want to buy something.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

[Naunet]

They are correctly incentivizing if they have made you want to buy something.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

[Kaedan]

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

Don't use the word fallacy when you don't know how to use it correctly. A fallacy is an invalid/illogical response in argument. When I said that SE isn't a charity and that they don't owe you anything beyond providing server access and monthly content, that there is nothing fallacious about that statement. It's pure fact. You, on the other hand, provide plenty of invalid statements here, such as "owing money to SE for the sake of existing"... that's false and hyperbolic.

And yes, they are correctly incentivizing because you want the item so badly to the point that you're willing to spend hours a day attempting to argue why you should get it for free.

[Naunet]

When I said that SE isn't a charity and that they don't owe you anything beyond providing server access and monthly content, that there is nothing fallacious about that statement.

It is a fallacy when it's being used to assert that companies have carte blanche to do whatever they want just because it will earn them money. The fact is they do NOT, because we as customers have every right to criticize them for actions we do not see as beneficial to us. We customers are not simply here to serve as good little girls and boys who open our wallets at every whim of the company because ~*they're just trying to make money*~. So I am not going to shut up and I'm not going to stop calling out SE for what I see as harmful business practices that take away value from the base game in exchange for cash-grabbing, over-priced mogstation items.

Lol at your last line though.

[Kaedan]

It is a fallacy when it's being used to assert that companies have carte blanche to do whatever they want just because it will earn them money.

Hyperbolic. And I never said anything of the sort.

The fact is they do NOT, because we as customers have every right to criticize them for actions we do not see as beneficial to us. We customers are not simply here to serve as good little girls and boys who open our wallets at every whim of the company because ~*they're just trying to make money*~.

You're right. You're free to criticize if you want. And you are completely within your rights not to make a purchase of something. No one is forcing you.

However, what you're doing is claiming you are entitled to some specific items being offered because you pay a subscription fee. That is objectively false and continue to not understand.

Your sub entitles you to server access and monthly content updates. That's it. You've continued to make the claim that you're entitled to the emotes "just because". You're not entitled to them anymore more than you're entitled to the mounts or character-specific glamour items. If you want them, buy them, don't complain that you should get them for free.

[Domeric]

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

This is apt.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

By making excuses for Square-Enix (or any company) to add more content outside of the sub, you're actively devaluing how much your subcost is. You're saying, "My 15 (or 12) dollars isn't enough. You deserve more money." To the far extreme, this develops MMOs like Star Wars the Old Republic, where all of the good looking armors are in gambling boxes purchased with real money -- including armors that existed before the gambling boxes did, which were taken out of the game so that you can only get them by gambling.

[bswpayton]

This is apt.


By making excuses for Square-Enix (or any company) to add more content outside of

But if you do the math its not enough not even close to enough so what are you saying exactly show me a popular mmo witout a cash shop, show me one that makes money off of sub payment only. You guys are being delusional this game wants to be at the top just like Im sure any other game does a mere 15 dollar sub a month isnt going to do that you no what does people like someone said earlier they spent 900 dollars on the mog station stop blaminig the company and see that people have the choice to buy these items. 15 dollars is cheap for all the content thats in this game, could the emotes be cheaper sure but they dont have to be because people still buy them for seven dollars.

[Naunet]

people have the choice to buy these items.

You have the choice to buy them! No one is forcing you!

And slowly more and more items that would have in the past been added straight to the game through content patches find their place on the cash shop instead. That excuse erodes the value of our game.