Shogun Tank Request Thoughts

[Lambdafish]

plz. don't assume what I would/wouldn't like because I don't like the job you main. and it would be SE's version of shogun so that doesn't mean it would use a fan.

Shogun was planned until well into HW development. The core of the job that we now call DRK, used to in fact be SAM, but was changed due to aesthetic similarities of NIN, and the fact that it didn't really fit into HW. So yes, if we got SAM tank, there would be a lot of overlap with DRK, because DRK used to BE SAM. You not liking Shogun based on you not liking DRK isn't an unreasonable assumption.

[Belhi]

I seriously doubt they will do another Job with such similarities to SAM. I expect whatever the next 2 Jobs we get in 5.0 will not be Far East themed either and probably more closely tied to wherever we go next.

[SaitoHajime]

Shogun was planned until well into HW development. The core of the job that we now call DRK, used to in fact be SAM, but was changed due to aesthetic similarities of NIN, and the fact that it didn't really fit into HW. So yes, if we got SAM tank, there would be a lot of overlap with DRK, because DRK used to BE SAM. You not liking Shogun based on you not liking DRK isn't an unreasonable assumption.

not much of an argument when we have know idea what samurai would have been like as a tank. drks core is a parry/magic based tank. I highly doubt that sam would be using any kind of magic so what's left ? just parry, the only thing in common with drk. everything else minus the defensive cds and repraisal(probably called something else) would be completely different.

[Lambdafish]

not much of an argument when we have know idea what samurai would of been like as a tank. drks core is a parry/magic based tank. I highly doubt that sam would be using any kind of magic so what's left ? just parry, the only thing in common with drk. everything else minus the defensive cds and repraisal(probably called something else) would be completely different.

DRKs core is resource management, namely MP. SAM is also famous for resource management (namely TP), it's not a stretch to see how the two handed sword, resource management job used to be SAM.

Let me take a step back and ask you directly, rather than assuming. Imagine SAM was a tank that managed TP like a resource, and had ways of restoring and expending TP so it could be used as a resource to power up attacks, would you enjoy playing it? Because that is how SAM would work best as a tank, and looking at DRK, it is very likely how 3.0 SAM was planned to be.

[SaitoHajime]

DRKs core is resource management, namely MP. SAM is also famous for resource management (namely TP), it's not a stretch to see how the two handed sword, resource management job used to be SAM.

Let me take a step back and ask you directly, rather than assuming. Imagine SAM was a tank that managed TP like a resource, and had ways of restoring and expending TP so it could be used as a resource to power up attacks, would you enjoy playing it? Because that is how SAM would work best as a tank, and looking at DRK, it is very likely how 3.0 SAM was planned to be.

short answer yes. tp management is already something most jobs are doing. also sam was only famous for its tp in 11. that was the ability to quickly raise and the ability give some of your own to others. which was why it was meta for all endgame. so again, we have no idea what sam would of been like as tank.

[Mirakumi]

Just throwing this out there - but it will not happen.

The two soul gem, I never had a problem with it. Yet I remember somewhere in an interview or such that they did not want to do the SMN / SCH route again.

But would have been interesting that RDM could be a dps rng/healer and SAM a dps melee/tank.

But since it is far unlikely the case.

Then perhaps rather I would like to see what many have suggested instead that dungeon groups increase from 4 man to 5. Where its 3 dps and a tank, heal and just adjust the level of difficulty like so.

[Irhi]

I would also really like to see them put Shogun in as a tank. I was really looking forward to Samurai being a tank and the announcement killed a lot of my excitement for Stormblood.

I really like the aesthetics of Japanese-style jobs, and since both Ninja and Samurai are now DPS, it doesn't seem like there are any options left for a tank. I have heard that they don't want to add many Japanese-style jobs, so this means tanks will probably never get one, even if we do eventually get a new job.

Anyway, I get that some people don't care, but I want to signal my interest in this as well. Maybe give them a katana and an iron war fan (tessen). That could be fun.

[Yin111]

Just throwing this out there - but it will not happen.

The two soul gem, I never had a problem with it. Yet I remember somewhere in an interview or such that they did not want to do the SMN / SCH route again.

But would have been interesting that RDM could be a dps rng/healer and SAM a dps melee/tank.

But since it is far unlikely the case.

Then perhaps rather I would like to see what many have suggested instead that dungeon groups increase from 4 man to 5. Where its 3 dps and a tank, heal and just adjust the level of difficulty like so.

I agree that two soul gems system is to much for the game and devs. Which is why the request is specificly a new Job not tied to the Samurai job like Scholar and Summoner was.

[Leonus]

Drk being a tank.... i was okay with. If they made Sam a tank too.... i would have never forviven SE. Samurai needed to be a dps, glad that's what it got to be.

[momo-en]

I feel that having a SAM as DPS and a shogun tank is almost repetitive; if you take a look at the jobs, we don't really see repetition - at least, in terms of 'culture.' ex: DRG with aerial and MNK with melee. sure, NIN + MNK are similar in that they're melee but MNK is based off of Chinese and NIN for Japanese. this wouldn't be the case for SAM and shogun

we have MCH with range + turret but a supportive (MP restoration, etc) range DPS for BRD- similar but not entirely alike. healers: WHM, SCH, and AST respectively: big-heals, nullifying damage (but numerically lower heals), and buffs/dual roles of WHM and SCH

I can see shogun as a branch for SAM - something like ACN, SCH, and SMN. however, I feel like Squeenix can pull that off once but may not pull it off again. but it'd still be interesting to see a shogun tank

it's relevant to note that I'm not taking sides; it's just as the situation is,based on existing patterns, it seems unlikely that they would implement a similar job