Shogun Tank Request Thoughts

[ErikMynhier]

4 years
2013-2017

1.0 don't count

It kind of does when you consider how much of the original code flows through the game now. YP's team has done what they could to clean it up and all but its still in a 1.0 framework in a lot of ways. The facts are the facts, its a 7 year old game and that's why other games seem a bit prettier. Be proud of your age people, don't fudge it just because you're feeling old.

[Alacran]

Honestly seeing what they termed as Samurai i would not want it to simply get a new crystal to put on some armor and tank. It would need a full rework from inception to completion to get back to what in my opinion it should have been. It looks the part of an unarmored glass tiger and even the animations would have to go. I would love nothing more than for them to take what was announced rename it Ronin and and make a Samurai more fitting to Sengoku era.

Having said that However i simply don't see it happening, they made their choice and the DPS won out. I have very little faith in the supposed revamps they claim to be making, and while i always planed to stick with my Dark Knight main, it's more than a little sad having to see "Honorable Samurai" jockey for the position behind the target. Even worse trying to solo with their bird to Tank for them.

[Kazrah]

I'm glad it's not a tank. I'm glad it's not that third-rate Western stereotype and instead being something different, something more appealing, something to provide a better and broader perspective on what a Samurai actually was in history.

Want something in heavy armor, with a big sword, that relies on parrying attacks? Dark Knight says hello.

[Yin111]

I'm glad it's not a tank. I'm glad it's not that third-rate Western stereotype and instead being something different, something more appealing, something to provide a better and broader perspective on what a Samurai actually was in history.

Want something in heavy armor, with a big sword, that relies on parrying attacks? Dark Knight says hello.

The Samurai now is what a Samurai would be during the Edo, which is fairly acurate. But the Samurai wanted by some, are the ones from the Sengoku which would still be acurate.

Dark Knights are diffrent. It is an alternative, but ultimatly not what people want. It could be asthetic appeal, animation appeal or visual appeal.

[Dalmacus]

Well i know that the samurai animations appealed to me

[Kazrah]

Dark Knights are diffrent. It is an alternative, but ultimatly not what people want. It could be asthetic appeal, animation appeal or visual appeal.

Yes, visual differences, but in the end, anything like that would just be a Dark Knight with what may as well be the old Doman gear from the start of the expansion.

[Yin111]

Yes, visual differences, but in the end, anything like that would just be a Dark Knight with what may as well be the old Doman gear from the start of the expansion.

I belive I understand what you are trying to say. I can not quite put into words correctly. But, a Dark Knight's theme is to use dark powers to harm your enimes and sheild yourself from harm. They primarly use great swords and their animations reflect that weapon. You can theroreticlly give a blade type weapon to Dark Knight, but the job would not properly utalize the weapon corecctly on the visual side as the job was designed conceptualy to use dark powers and great swords, not bladed weapons.

A Shogun, is to give it more Sengoku styled armor. To use a weapons such as a Nodachi or other weapon, with animaions, skills and effects that shows martial prowes of a fictional Japanese warrior.

[Kazrah]

A Shogun, is to give it more Sengoku styled armor. To use a weapons such as a Nodachi or other weapon, with animaions, skills and effects that shows martial prowes of a fictional Japanese warrior.

Yes, but in the end, we still see this:



Yes, you can go on about how different a Shogun job concept is from our Dark Knight, but in the end, it's still in the same armor as Dark Knight, still has a big sword like Dark Knight, and would still wind up looking like a Dark Knight with a different coat of paint.

No matter what is said, it will always look the same as a Dark Knight, which is all the more reason why we don't have Shogun as a tank, nor should we have it as a tank. That's a good thing too, because it means the next tank can be something different--that's the key word here. Even at just a standing cursory glance, Shogun needs to seem different than Dark Knight, but unless it's wielding something other than a sword, that just won't happen.

[Tanathya]

You'll have to suck it up, they turned DRK into a tank, effectively taking out its signature move to shoehorn it into that role. I wanted SAM as a tank, until they showed everyone DRK tank in its stead. We had to deal with it then, it's your turn now.

[Kiyashi]

Samurai in XIV is a DPS. It's not a tank and will never be a tank b/c if it is a tank then the DRK players that wanted it a DPS would then have a good case for their being a DRK DPS class. If you wanted SAM a tank I'm sorry but it's not, in this game it's going to be a DPS like it was in XI. Look towards the next expansion to see what new Tank job we'll get as it seems it'll be a healer and tank in the next expansion to keep the balance going.