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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    I'll make sense of it for you: There seems to be a disturbing trend among healers toward shirking support duties and looking for offense at any cost. I myself have noticed fewer healers using Swiftcast in tandem with Raise/Ressurect, which tells me they're not slotting the ability as regularly as one would expect.
    Okay. I certainly haven't noticed such a trend. I haven't seen any kind of uptick nor downtick in the amount of healers that cast swift+res.

    In any case, it still has very little to do with the subject of this thread. At best, it sort of ties into people saying they want to ditch Protect in the starter dungeons to use CS, but since Protect doesn't do anything worthwhile in the starter dungeons, it's not a big deal. Certainly not worth dropping into a thread and randomly insinuating that someone else thinks "rezzing is for Summoners!"

    At worst, it's a random drive-by from someone who hasn't kept up with the discussion and wants to aggressively frame it so it fits into the whole "healers shouldn't DPS!" narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Swapping out a gcd action for a nongcd action doesn't incur a penalty. Swapping a nongcd for a gcd does.

    Some people... so, if you refuse to use clerics, is it fine for me to not use Huton? After all, it's SUUUUUUCH a pain to keep up and it clearly doesn't do anything. /s

    Do your job first and foremost, don't shirk it cause you don't wanna click one extra button.
    The post of mine that you are quoting was from like 5 pages ago. The fact that you CAN swap without having to wait for the long cooldown was brought up and acknowledged (including by myself) a while ago.

    As for the rest... not sure who you are trying to call out, exactly, but the comparison is silly. Huton is absolutely CRITICAL to a NIN's DPS output. Having Protect (or Cleric's) in the three starter dungeons is... just about the opposite of "critical".
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    Last edited by Saito_S; 02-17-2017 at 10:03 AM. Reason: added the last reply
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saito_S View Post
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    The subject at hand, as far as I'm concerned, is rather negligible and I couldn't care about it either way. The reasoning behind it, though, is something that should disturb players who expect new players to learn the basics of the game. That includes mitigation of damage however possible (Protect), repairing damage when necessary (Cure/Physick/Benefic), and assisting in damage when possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    The subject at hand, as far as I'm concerned, is rather negligible and I couldn't care about it either way. The reasoning behind it, though, is something that should disturb players who expect new players to learn the basics of the game. That includes mitigation of damage however possible (Protect), repairing damage when necessary (Cure/Physick/Benefic), and assisting in damage when possible.
    O...kay. No one is saying anything "disturbing" regarding how new players will learn the basics of the game. No one is saying anything that really has much to do with new players learning the game at all. The subject at hand IS negligible, which was sort of the point myself and several others have been attempting to make. Not sure why you felt it necessary to post in a thread about that subject just to make sweeping generalizations on a tangentially related subject. Obviously mitigation and keeping the party alive are, always, the top priorities of healers. Nothing to disagree with that concept has been suggested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Correction: Huton is critical for a NIN to do their main job(killing all the things) effectively.
    So... what I said, phrased differently. Very compelling reason to put "correction", you sure offered a totally new spin on the description of Huton's role.
    Protect is critical for a healer to do their main job(supporting and keeping their party healthy) effectively. If you want to sacrifice your own role efficiency for the sake of 'muh deeps', it's not unreasonable to expect someone that is actually doing their best to perform their main role first and foremost to be peeved over laziness. Why should I perform optimally if you won't?(General you)
    Because Protect in Satasha isn't critical to anything, and leaving it behind to cross-class Cleric's instead isn't laziness. It's a choice, and a pretty inconsequential one.
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    Last edited by Saito_S; 02-17-2017 at 10:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saito_S View Post
    Huton is absolutely CRITICAL to a NIN's DPS output. Having Protect is... just about the opposite of "critical".
    Correction: Huton is critical for a NIN to do their main job(killing all the things) effectively. Protect is critical for a healer to do their main job(supporting and keeping their party healthy) effectively. If you want to sacrifice your own role efficiency for the sake of 'muh deeps', it's not unreasonable to expect someone that is actually doing their best to perform their main role first and foremost to be peeved over laziness. Why should I perform optimally if you won't?(General you)
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