Kicked from DR Leveling because I don't slot Protect for low level dungeons?

[ZioSerpe]

REport for what- for using the legal in-game function? Dont be silly.

When you vote kick someone you need to chose an option, not using protect as your 1st cross class is not one of them. So kicking a player for that is abuse of the function and there is a nice red disclaimer under saying that abuse of the kick function can be punished.

Back on topic, I don't run Protect in 1st slot either, but I run it in 2nd, fuck Aero. you got only 3 dungeons (and well... guildhests?) before syincing to at least 20 and no one should complain about that, there are a lot more dungeons between 20 and 30 so just run it in second slot, Aero is not that important, you'll just use more Ruin.

[Saito_S]

Well yes... you summed it quite well there.

They could be doing something additional which would be beneficial. How beneficial it would be is debatable and I'll give you that, but they're choosing not to do it, that's lazy.

No it's not.

The definition of "lazy" is "does not want to do work." If you cast Protect, then switch out for Cleric's Stance... you have to stand around for a minute... not doing work.
People are COMPLAINING about being forced to stand around and do nothing and wait and not contribute for one minute if they bother to swap skills, and you're calling that "lazy"? lol

Protect doesn't mean squat in Satasha, Tam-Tara, and Copperbell. The math has been laid out; the benefit is so miniscule as to almost be non-existent. It does not matter one whit whether you have that or CS in those dungeons. If you insist that a healer MUST use protect, and kick them if they don't, or insinuate that they're being a bad healer or a detriment to their party, you're wrong. Hell, if the healer is good - no, not "good", just even remotely competent because we're talking about the starter dungeons - at balancing healing and DPS and using CS, the run will go by much more smoothly and much more easily, with less damage taken by the tank or anyone else, with CS than Protect.

And no if I go back and heal those dungeons as an AST or SCH, I am not going to do the silly swap thing and stand around for one minute booksmacking while I wait for my skills to come up. Sweet Shiva, it's literally less then 10 damage per hit. It does not matter. Now, if someone else really wants to cross-class Protect instead, or do the swap, then hey, that's fine. Not gonna give anyone any crap for it. Obviously I don't agree with giving Protect the priority, but since it IS the starter dungeons we're talking about here, the lack of CS isn't exactly going to make or break the experience, either.

But to see people in here calling it lazy or bad or whatever to not always use Protect in those three (three! In the entire game! Three super-easy dungeons, out of like fifty!) loleasy lowbie dungeons... wow. I've seen some nonsense on this board, but... wow.

[Fyrebrand]

I'm surprised you wouldn't at least put Protect in the 2nd slot, but the proof is in the pudding. If you can still do your job as a healer, then I don't see a problem. At the very least, they could have put your methods to the test and given you a chance to prove your competence.

I'd naturally be a little suspicious that the lack of Protect would just have you out of Cleric Stance more often and spending more time concentrated on healing -- in which case, your refusal to apply Protect in the name of damage would be really frustrating. But at that point, we're kind of splitting hairs and getting too far into "You aren't playing how I want you to play" territory. Never played a Scholar myself, so I'll take your word for it that it'll all come out in the wash -- especially if the fairy makes dungeons at that level such a face-roll as some commenters are saying.

[trashmyego]

Oh wow, this blew up some. Thanks for the advice to swap out protect and cleric, I didn't know the buff stayed around if you did that.

Also to clarify, there really was no impasse. The tank kept pulling, he even did a few aggressively reckless pulls after calling me a 'disgrace of a scholar,' not holding complete aggro as if to force me to heal out of cleric. No wipe, no near death, we never dropped below 50%. He just waited until the timer was up to do the kick. Nor were these new players, well the 3rd person in the group might've been, they didn't talk at all. His friend kept trying to explain to me the importance of using Protect. I tried to explain the lack of importance at that level of content, it being a percentage based increase of low stats versus low damage. Neither decided to check and see that I am level capped as a WHM. Or ask if I did full content progression for ARR's initial content updates as both main tank and main healer, leading both groups for my FC.

[trashmyego]

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't mistaken about the mechanics of Protect, or that they hadn't been changed while I was away. Thanks for all the replies and advice

[worldofneil]

If you cast Protect, then switch out for Cleric's Stance... you have to stand around for a minute... not doing work.

At most you miss out on doing dps on *ONE* group of mobs and in return you've added a defensive spell to the entire party that lasts 30 minutes.

But hey if you want to do that, that's up to you. I won't kick you for it, but I certainly won't give you a commendation for not casting the most basic defensive spell that us healers have.

[Saito_S]

I'm surprised you wouldn't at least put Protect in the 2nd slot

Oh, absolutely it would be in the second slot for me. Once out of the starter dungeon trio, it'd be Clreic's and Protect.

I'd naturally be a little suspicious that the lack of Protect would just have you out of Cleric Stance more often and spending more time concentrated on healing -- in which case, your refusal to apply Protect in the name of damage would be really frustrating. But at that point, we're kind of splitting hairs and getting too far into "You aren't playing how I want you to play" territory. Never played a Scholar myself, so I'll take your word for it that it'll all come out in the wash -- especially if the fairy makes dungeons at that level such a face-roll as some commenters are saying.

It's not even about the fairy. With WHM, you might as well cast Protect because you have it no matter what (no cross-class swapping required), but even if you didn't (or are an AST who doesn't, as well), nothing bad will happen. You will spend exactly zero more time out of Cleric's than you would with Protect. The presence or lack of Protect in those three dungeons will have no impact on how often you ACTUALLY need to heal your tank.

At most you miss out on doing dps on *ONE* group of mobs and in return you've added a defensive spell to the entire party that lasts 30 minutes.

But hey if you want to do that, that's up to you. I won't kick you for it, but I certainly won't give you a commendation for not casting the most basic defensive spell that us healers have.

So you'd rather I waste an entire minute just standing around so I can cast a spell that essentially does nothing. In Satasha. Protect is THAT important to you that it would override other factors in who you comm, even though it doesn't matter in those dungeons. okay

Also way to ignore my point about why it's not "lazy".

[seekified]

Protect is fairly useless in low-level places. I know plenty of SCHs who take Blizzard II instead of Protect altogether.

[Texa]

Now that I know about the slot order level thing I have Scholar at

10. Cleric
20. Swift
30. Protect

imo swift's more important for low levels than protect too. I see way more sprouts letting things eat Eos or standing in poison puddles and dying than any other kind of emergency in the baby dungeons.

[worldofneil]

Also way to ignore my point about why it's not "lazy".

I wasn't ignoring it, but you've clearly already made up your mind, but okay...

As healer I believe you should always cast protect and in this thread no one seems to disagree that having it will lower the damage, just people who don't cast it are not casting it because they don't believe the amount of damage mitigation it gives is worth it.

We're healers. Our primary job is to look after the party. I mean seriously, this thread has reached this many pages because of people not wanting to cast ONE spell which stops them from DPSing for half of the first group of mobs even though it will add some defence?

Please don't misunderstand I'm happily blasting away in cleric stance most of the time, but it feels very wrong when people can't be bothered to put on the most basic of defence spells because they feel that attacking the first group of mobs is more important than a small buff to party for the entire dungeon.