Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Taika]

So a healer who isn't interested in XIVLogs parses but gets the job done isn't a good player?

As long as "getting the job done" only requires you to summon Eos, /follow tank and go afk, or cast 1 heal every minute or so - then no, that does not count as a good player. A good player actively contributes in a meaningful manner to advance the group's goal. This is covered by healing only in extremely rare and non-standard circumstances.

I don't have a issue with healers DPS'ing but as I play as a DPS if i'm reducing my DPS because i'm looking for my cure buttion or potion buttion then the healer is not doing there job corrently

That's a separate issue though, and no one here is claiming that a healer is doing their job by leaving their group members to die, either (unless, again, in very particular circumstances).

[Ageofwar]

I don't have a issue with healers DPS'ing but as I play as a DPS if i'm reducing my DPS because i'm looking for my cure buttion or potion buttion then the healer is not doing there job corrently

[Neophyte]

Can't wait to see what all of you "you better be dpsing if there's nothing to heal" people have to say when the combat changes come in 4.0 and healers either can't dpsat all, or their dps viability gets so nerffed it's not even worth it to switch stances.

Just guessing, of course, but I can see SE putting an end to this argument. I have a feeling there's gonna be a whole lot of dpsers out there that are gonna be upset at having to step up their game rather than blame healers for low party dps.

You do know that the acc requirements on dungeons (Antitower) got lifted and one the most important reason for adding materia slots to current gear was healers complaining about not even having the option to dps properly?

If at all, they make it more easy to deal dps comfortably (like getting rid of CS and acc), therefore making it even more common.
Sure, they can dumb down the numbers, but still...
A WHM in ex roulette can deal 800+ dps through the whole run (without getting into healing/mp issues). Make that 400 and it's still better than doing nothing, especially with no stance dance (which means almost no risk).

[Watachy]

edit: healer dps is a bonus and should be treated that way

It's not a bonus anymore since Devs pointed out that the included the healers DPS potency on the gordias raids.

I don't understand people saying "im a healer not a DPS" hello, this game has been designed in a way there everyone have to do.
It didn't changed since 1.0 won't probably change

[AutoWhit]

It's not a bonus anymore since Devs pointed out that the included the healers DPS potency on the gordias raids.

I don't understand people saying "im a healer not a DPS" hello, this game has been designed in a way there everyone have to do.
It didn't changed since 1.0 won't probably change

So, tell me why, again, we queue as tank, or dps, or healer?

[ADVSS]

only if people are dying, tanks are never over 10% health, etc.

[Taika]

So, tell me why, again, we queue as tank, or dps, or healer?

You're not asking this seriously, are you? Because each of them brings group their particular utility that is useful for standard runs. However, each role having their particular utility does not mean they are, should be, or even can be limited to only that, and it's especially not an excuse to refuse to use anything but a few of your wide range of abilities.

[Sylve]

I would just quit playing any healer jobs. I chose healer especially because of the versatility of the role. If that's taken away, I will lose interest and try something else.


Honestly, I highly doubt it will happen. DPS has been a vital part of all healer jobs in the game since 1.0... And they've emphasised it more and more with adding more DPS skills in Heavensward and then bringing the topic up in Novice hall.

The 3 current Healers use Direct/Regen and Shielding, while providing limited dps.

What we currently lack is a Healer with a bigger focus on offensive play. I'd love to play a healer that functioned by Healing as a product of dealing damage. Its the only other kind of healing we could get, unless you go for a hp drain style similar to Chloromancer from Rift.

This argument is immediately invalidated by the sheer number of DPS abilities the healers have available for them - and the fact they keep gaining more and more DPS tools as they level higher.

Before level 15 - at the solo levels - WHM (Conjurer) only gets Stone and Aero. At their group content levels they get Stone II, Stone III, Aero II, Aero III, Holy and Assize (and Fluid Aura).

Put on ilvl 150 gear. Go to Azys lla and use ONLY Stone I to kill things for a while.
It'll get real old, real fast.

Group content starts at level 10 by the way, Well before Stone II or any other DPS spell.
Guildhests may not be challenging endgame content, But it is still an introduction to party play.

If a player chose to start as a (CNJ)WHM, that WHM needs to be capable of actually killing things in MSQ quests, Leves and side quests.
Could you imagine trying to get from 1 - 60 via questing as a (CNJ)WHM with your ONLY damage spell being Stone I?
SE clearly thought that'd suck, so they made sure to give the Job adequate damage dealing spells that were flavorful to the Job without being the focus of the Job.

With Heavensward and the increase in mob HPs, healers again needed some assistance, hence, improved damage spells were added. Also for flavor. Who knows.

In party play, a Healer Heals things. Thats its focus, its purpose. Are you, the player, capable of performing that role and then doing more? If you can, awesome! Keep on doing that. Meanwhile, the ones who cannot (for whatever reason) will continue to muddle along performing adequately for the role.
Healer dps is optional and supplemental in Party play, Healers were not designed from the ground up with DPS in mind.
When a Healer does DPS in a dungeon when I'm tanking, i welcome it as a pleasant surprise (as long as I'm not getting splatted through lack of heals). Its just a bonus to me, a slightly faster run.
I will never enforce DPS on a healer that isn't interested or capable just because they have the spells.
Otherwise we'd be forcing Summoners to heal themselves just because they have Physik.

Lastly; Sheer number of dps skills? A WHM has 4 Single target spells, 1 AoE, a defensive spell and a Heal on a cooldown that also happens to do damage.
There is no rotation beyond applying DoTs and then spamming Stone or Holy.

[AutoWhit]

You're not asking this seriously, are you? Because each of them brings group their particular utility that is useful for standard runs. However, each role having their particular utility does not mean they are, should be, or even can be limited to only that, and it's especially not an excuse to refuse to use anything but a few of your wide range of abilities.

Again, I don't care what you are doing as long as you are performing the role you signed up for well. Any utilities you want to use outside of your normal role are a bonus. That's all I'm saying. Again, I said you won't see me calling out a healer for not dpsing. If they want to great.

I guess not calling out players for not doing things outside of their assigned role is a bad thing? Who woulda thought?

[Cinno]

The fact that they're clearing content makes then a minimally good player. Just good enough to get by.

This is extremely bad logic. Doing the 'just good enough to get by' doesn't make them good. It makes them Passable. Students don't bring home D's on tests and get told "You did just good enough to get by! You're such a good student!" Doing just enough to pass, is mediocre at best. And as a community, we shouldn't strive for mediocrity.