Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Watachy]

edit: healer dps is a bonus and should be treated that way

It's not a bonus anymore since Devs pointed out that the included the healers DPS potency on the gordias raids.

I don't understand people saying "im a healer not a DPS" hello, this game has been designed in a way there everyone have to do.
It didn't changed since 1.0 won't probably change

[AutoWhit]

It's not a bonus anymore since Devs pointed out that the included the healers DPS potency on the gordias raids.

I don't understand people saying "im a healer not a DPS" hello, this game has been designed in a way there everyone have to do.
It didn't changed since 1.0 won't probably change

So, tell me why, again, we queue as tank, or dps, or healer?

[Taika]

So, tell me why, again, we queue as tank, or dps, or healer?

You're not asking this seriously, are you? Because each of them brings group their particular utility that is useful for standard runs. However, each role having their particular utility does not mean they are, should be, or even can be limited to only that, and it's especially not an excuse to refuse to use anything but a few of your wide range of abilities.

[AutoWhit]

You're not asking this seriously, are you? Because each of them brings group their particular utility that is useful for standard runs. However, each role having their particular utility does not mean they are, should be, or even can be limited to only that, and it's especially not an excuse to refuse to use anything but a few of your wide range of abilities.

Again, I don't care what you are doing as long as you are performing the role you signed up for well. Any utilities you want to use outside of your normal role are a bonus. That's all I'm saying. Again, I said you won't see me calling out a healer for not dpsing. If they want to great.

I guess not calling out players for not doing things outside of their assigned role is a bad thing? Who woulda thought?

[Watachy]

I guess not calling out players for not doing things outside of their assigned role is a bad thing? Who woulda thought?

DPSING as a healer is part of their job, as i already said the game has been designed this way and if you want an ingame-clue try the hall of novice.

[AutoWhit]

DPSING as a healer is part of their job, as i already said the game has been designed this way and if you want an ingame-clue try the hall of novice.

I suggest you read Sylve's post, a few before this one. She explains it much better than I.

Also, I still haven't gotten an answer as to why we queue as tank, or dps, or healer.

[Watachy]

Also, I still haven't gotten an answer as to why we queue as tank, or dps, or healer.

Every role provides you a different gameplay like every job. The thing is, casual content (everything out of Savage runs) has been designed in a way you don't need to heal 24/24h and this applies to some Savages turns too.
If you're aren't healing you should be doing something else that ain't slacking around when your party members are trying their best to clear the content for you. Since you've got 3 things to do as a healer: healing, pre-cast incoming damages, dpsing.
If no heal is needed and nothing big is coming, you have to DPS that's all.

[Cinno]

Also, I still haven't gotten an answer as to why we queue as tank, or dps, or healer.

Because these roles are required. At the BARE MINIMUM, these are our required roles, but this is not and SHOULD NOT BE all they are expected to do.

The tank is required to keep aggro from the enemies and keep the party safe. But that doesnt require their full attention. They reach a point where they have such a hold on aggro that the other party members are most likely not going to pull anything off of them for awhile. Based on the ideas in this thread, at that point they should just stop. They have aggro, its maintained, so their job should be done. No more attacking unless they start to lose a mob and have to regain some of the aggro.

Or they could keep attacking, and keep contributing to the overall damage dealt by the party.

It's no different for healers. As a WHM main, I can guarantee that healing doesnt require our full attention. At some points yes. At larger pulls, yes. But even then we have tools to make the healing extremely simple. Protect to numb the damage some. Regen and Medica II to cause a constant regen effect. Asylum to improve this Regen effect even more. While the tank has three things constantly healing them, there's usually at least seven or eight seconds of downtime between having to cure the tank back up. Say you have to cure the tank three times during a pull. That's almost half a minute of just standing around doing nothing. That doesn't seem like a lot no, but figure it up. All the pull's in a dungeon, all the downtime of just standing around, it adds up. It's a lot of wasted time.

To answer your question, we queue as the roles because, at the bare minimum, those are the requirements of the job. But we should not STRIVE to do the bare minimum. That's just laziness.

[Arg0n]

Also, I still haven't gotten an answer as to why we queue as tank, or dps, or healer.

Assuming all 4 members of the party are achieving their primary role, a duty will succeed.

Ok, so you think a healers job is just to heal and do nothing else? This means, 2 buttons are enough for almost every 4-man dungeon.
Let's take cure for single heal and medica for aoe heal. He's job is done.

Now we have a tank. He's job is to keep enmity. Warrior as example. he can just spam overpower and butcher's block. 2 buttons are enough to keep enmity.
Sure he makes no damage and receive a big amount of damage, but he keep the mobs. He's job is done.

And the damagedealers? Well, they don't need to do special rotations or skills or dps. Their job is just to do some damage, which amount doesn't matter.
Lets take a summoner and blackmage. Summoner only cast ruin is entire life, and the blackmage does only ice.
They do some damage, but it's nothing compared to a full rotation. But they are doing their job -> damage.

Now you have a full group and everyone is doing his job. But instead of 15-20min, they need about 40-50min for a dungeon, or can't even beat it.

Is that what you want? Is this your expectation of "just do your job"? Cause everyone is doing is job, if it is good or not doesn't matter for you?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Also, I still haven't gotten an answer as to why we queue as tank, or dps, or healer.

Do you prefer to play a DPS with no positionals but a lower ceiling, a dps with positionals, spells or range, or a DPS that occasionally casts a spell on an ally? There's no cause to worry about your primary role if you can't hack it, you'll probably be paired with someone that actually knows.

Did anyone say anything otherwise? The pro-healer dps camp, really want healers to heal as well...we never said NEVER HEAL.

I've seen many pro dps healers chastise a healer for stepping out of cs for 4-5 seconds to heal up after raid wide damage or toss out regens. I haven't seen anyone recommend keeping the party alive, even when the group's at a collective 5% HP.

Out of curiosity what's the off tanks role if no adds or tank swaps? I guess just sit down and wait for the main tank to die.

The offtanks role is to dps, because if they don't, the party will hit enrage and wipe. Unless the healers are dpsing, in which case the off tank is actually just a fifth red dps.