The Feast is SO much better without chat

[MiraKershaw]

Lol no , but I guess telling healer to heal when people are at 10% hp opposed to using combust is to rude and might break his heart and feelings , what a joke of a post

[loreleidiangelo]

It is rare to see a kick passed in the name of "lets get this done" Esp when it is a 4 person PvE and the person is a tank.

Due to it being impossible to boot people while loot is up or for a certain amount of time after combat has passed, it's also nearly impossible to kick someone in a 24-man raid, at least without asking the entire alliance to stop and wait a few minutes (at which point it becomes apparent you're going to kick someone in your party, which can lead to hostility and flaming). We had a SMN yesterday in Dun Scaith deliberately move into AOEs and kept letting raise time out because he just wanted to afk for a loot, and yet we were unable to do anything about him without consulting in alliance chat. As soon as we did, he called us "elitist" and that he shouldn't be punished for being new to the instance, and that it wasn't his fault he was dying (he said he "lagged" when we asked why he let raises time out instead of accepting them).

Go figure, we get to the end and he doesn't even get the achievement for first-time clear.

I think a reasonable solution to this toxicity in PVE is to instantly kick someone from an instance if they die 3 or more times to avoidable mechanics. How does that sound, everyone?

[Exira]

Those darker elements don't involve my wife and are just part of a scripted story/game. To me, insults are insults, whether written or spoken. I didn't know it was something you could report. I'll probably start reporting more often and encourage good sportsmanship. I didn't say anything in the chat. I knew if i did id lose my cool and my wife really wanted to win for that Ginga mount. I probably should look over the terms of service again. Thank you for your post.

Removechat from pve content your wife may be verbally abused there / let's remove chat from ff xiv totally no chance to get any abuse . Do you think is a good solution?

[KusoWat]

meanwhile, my wife is being called a bitch and told to dominate people sexually when she tries to be helpful and explain seal rock .

1) out of the 2000+ feast matches and 1500+ frontlines matches I've played, I have never seen anything remotely like this in serious or malicious context.

2) this is 100% someone trolling or trying to be funny. If your wife is taking this kind of thing seriously, she will likely not find enjoyment in online pvp centric games or modes.

[loreleidiangelo]

I admire your sense of personal accountability. Sadly, that is a quality that a lot of players lack. It's all too common to see people just gun their way forwards without any regard to their role, responsibilities, or teammates. It's a mentality that I think has been bred into the current generation of gamers by instant gratification games which value personal stats (such as Kill : Death) over your actual result/win rate, and quite frankly, it shows in how they play.

A certain degree of anxiety is a good thing in a game mode like this, because you really should feel at least some accountability for the success or failure of your team. That's the same in Feast as it is in a savage raid or an extreme trial. It sounds harsh, but if you're not feeling at least the slightest twinge of anxiety when you go into these kinds of things, then you probably don't belong there. It's always nice to see players who do, even if they preform badly, because at least you know that they are somewhat invested in favorable results and will likely improve over time, regardless of if they get chewed out for playing badly along the way.

Thanks. Today I'll be stepping in for the first time (I have the next two days off, so gonna try to grind out the Garo mount before I lose my nerves and/or before the queues dry up), so if anyone here sees me on their team, sorry if I'm not doing so well. Do know that I'm trying, at least, and like the rest of you wish that we could use chat so I could get some pointers.

I mean, I understand where the anti-chat people are coming from, I do - everybody should be allowed to learn and make mistakes with helpful feedback and support from their team, not sarcasm and "FAIL" ASCII macros. But at the same time...they're just words. I get them all the time in WoW, and they didn't stop me from PVPing there (as a healer, too, which is arguably way more difficult than trying to heal here due to the current melee pain train meta over there). Yes, I used to get people send me whispers in a match telling me to uninstall, or someone in chat saying "ugh our retard healers are just handing the match to them". You know what? I just skimmed it, or ignored them. Even harshly-worded advice I took note of ("Jesus Christ heals, why don't you try line-of-sighting next time?"), because that was how I adapted to challenged presented, but it seems like here, people would just cry about being harassed rather than look for the kernels of truth buried within the rudeness. I see it in PVE, as well.

It's kind of like a double onus, to me. Veterans SHOULD work on keeping their tempers in check, even in a competitive mode. But new players should also actually read what is being presented, not just how it's being presented, and draw their own conclusions from there before immediately crying foul. For the most part, in WoW, I didn't pay attention to things like "heals???" or "wtf our healers are awful", because only I am the most accurate metric of my own performance. I know when I'm doing as well as I can with the noobs and the yoloers, and I also know when I make a poor decision and am not with my team when they need me most. That's kind of why this whole thing frustrates me - have some confidence, people! Rather than applauding a mass gag order that protects your delicate sensitivities, feel more mature about yourself and acknowledge when vitriolic statements contain valuable criticism, and when they're just an idiot blowing hot air.

Now, I have none of that. I simply have to go in, play a match in utter silence other than "Get medals!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Fall back!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!". What does that tell me? What value is there in those statements? I could think, "Awesome, I got medals like they said" and run around with 10 stacks all match and because the other team is just as poorly coordinated still somehow win. And I'll think that's how every match is supposed to be played, instead of someone - even if worded harshly - being able to say, "dude don't grab that many stacks next time, you nearly cost us the match. only get like 2 as heals". And heaven forfend the person who tries to use that damned "Nice job!" macro unironically, FFS. People are already starting to see it as sarcasm, even in the rare case it might not be. What will the pearl-clutchers do now?

[Exira]

1: I just tried pvp for the first time with 3.5 im not ready to be rated nor do i have the friends to try practicing as i just returned not too long ago. .

Wait a minute.. You just tried pvp for the first time in 3.5 and you can say.. IT's better than before xD??

[Ama_Hamada]

Due to it being impossible to boot people while loot is up or for a certain amount of time after combat has passed, it's also nearly impossible to kick someone in a 24-man raid, at least without asking the entire alliance to stop and wait afew minutes (at which point it becomes apparent you're going to kick someone in your party, which can lead to hostility and flaming). We had a SMN yesterday in Dun Scaith deliberately move into AOEs and kept letting raise time out because he just wanted to afk for a loot, and yet we were unable to do anything about him without consulting in alliance chat. As soon as we did, he called us "elitist" and that he shouldn't be punished for being new to the instance, and that it wasn't his fault he was dying (he said he "lagged" when we asked why he let raises time out instead of accepting them).

Go figure, we get to the end and he doesn't even get the achievement for first-time clear.

I think a reasonable solution to this toxicity in PVE is to instantly kick someone from an instance if they die 3 or more times to avoidable mechanics. How does that sound, everyone?

For the last line, no, because there was tons of that the first day. But you are proving a point of mine and that is showing it is possible to be toxic without saying anything. This is why removing the chat is pointless as it does not prevent toxicity anyway, and only hurts the people that want to use all the tools. Yes I seen examples of that before. My friend went off on another healer for "dying on purpose" on the first day and not use LB3. She wanted the healer to use LB3 to give us a chance to clear it and let people see the ending phases of Scathach, the speed up versions so people can get exposed to it and see it and pass it the next time. Every time the healer said "no" to my friend saying "should used lb 3" attempted to vote kick (after the 3rd time or so of this being done) She explained this is proof the healer is not trying their best to pass it when my friend was (was not healing well before and putting extra stress on my friend, despite having better gear then her) What ended up happening instead of voting yes to that person, was just to abandon duty.

People really need to go overboard to pass a kick in PvE, another example my friend told me about, she was playing research fallacy with a newer player and was doing that specially for her to farm tomes for gear. My friend noticed right away there was a possibility this tank and dps where together when she asked why the tank was kiting monsters around the orb and made a simple remark about not seeing that done before and asked them not to do it for the next one so she can AoE everything. Later the THM people where casting aoe petrify and my friend insisted to kill the THM first not the CNJ. My friend also did not like tanking the THM for targeting them first and the tank refused to help with this. Later the tank let my friends friend die (healer) and because of that she left the DF. The new WHM asked what happened and my outspoken friend said it really blatantly "The tank was toxic and let the healer die so she left" Right when the battle was over she tried to vote kick and it failed (So the new healer despite being told this, rejected kicking the tank) right at the final boss, the tank said something about asking my friend, the BLM, to tank the boss. Her response was putting the vote kick request again and it finally passed, so this caused the DPS friend of the tank to leave as well. So my friend ended up explaining to all the replacements on how they got there, since she knew they would be confused as heck why they are there just before the final boss. I am quite amazed at that situation though because how there was only one person left in the Df that started the run originally, because the new player did not want to deal with the toxicity and throw the vote up, she left, and basically led to having 3 replacements minutes before the final boss.

Despite having kick tools, it is hard to pass legitimate kick votes at times, and not having it for feast is not an argument to ban chat. PvE is more toxic then PvP in my experience, and quite a hypocritical stance to ban chat in feast and not PvE

Removechat from pve content your wife may be verbally abused there / let's remove chat from ff xiv totally no chance to get any abuse . Do you think is a good solution?

exactly, my guess for them targeting feast was a simple fact it most likely got reported more, in pve, most people tend to ignore it more since it is not as important. I had to witness someone spamming "FAIL" ASCII macros and sexual ASCII macros because someone did not like to be told by my friend that they wasted a rage orb and how it can be used better. (AFTER we started fighting the boss they spammed the chat with them, shocked we won despite that, everyone reported that person)

[Zensho]

This thread is a lie...

[RaslerNB]

No it isn't. Period. Full stop. End of story.

[Zensho]

K, someone lock thread plz, were done here. =)