Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
It is rare to see a kick passed in the name of "lets get this done" Esp when it is a 4 person PvE and the person is a tank.
Due to it being impossible to boot people while loot is up or for a certain amount of time after combat has passed, it's also nearly impossible to kick someone in a 24-man raid, at least without asking the entire alliance to stop and wait a few minutes (at which point it becomes apparent you're going to kick someone in your party, which can lead to hostility and flaming). We had a SMN yesterday in Dun Scaith deliberately move into AOEs and kept letting raise time out because he just wanted to afk for a loot, and yet we were unable to do anything about him without consulting in alliance chat. As soon as we did, he called us "elitist" and that he shouldn't be punished for being new to the instance, and that it wasn't his fault he was dying (he said he "lagged" when we asked why he let raises time out instead of accepting them).

Go figure, we get to the end and he doesn't even get the achievement for first-time clear.

I think a reasonable solution to this toxicity in PVE is to instantly kick someone from an instance if they die 3 or more times to avoidable mechanics. How does that sound, everyone?