The Feast is SO much better without chat

[loreleidiangelo]

I actually prefer the new feature the feast is so much more enjoyable now and even at higher tiers I still found toxicity. Previous to this I found it a stressful experience and now I find it an enjoyable experience after work.

To offer a differing perspective, I am terrified to try out even unranked Feast now, despite the Garo rewards, simply because I will have no idea what I'm doing poorly, or well, or what my teammates are trying to achieve and if I should follow them or stay back because I'm needed elsewhere.

I'm not a slouch at Frontlines healing, even under pressure, but the way I learned was by quietly observing the callouts and strategies presented by veteran players of PVP. With no one to direct in a Feast mode, I'll probably wind up making more mistakes than if I could have had someone directing me (whether worded rudely or harshly or no). Now all I can do when I queue up is either hope the team is good enough where they don't really need me to play well, or that the enemy team is as noob as I am so it all evens out.

[Februs]

To offer a differing perspective, I am terrified to try out even unranked Feast now, despite the Garo rewards, simply because I will have no idea what I'm doing poorly, or well, or what my teammates are trying to achieve and if I should follow them or stay back because I'm needed elsewhere.

I admire your sense of personal accountability. Sadly, that is a quality that a lot of players lack. It's all too common to see people just gun their way forwards without any regard to their role, responsibilities, or teammates. It's a mentality that I think has been bred into the current generation of gamers by instant gratification games which value personal stats (such as Kill : Death) over your actual result/win rate, and quite frankly, it shows in how they play.

A certain degree of anxiety is a good thing in a game mode like this, because you really should feel at least some accountability for the success or failure of your team. That's the same in Feast as it is in a savage raid or an extreme trial. It sounds harsh, but if you're not feeling at least the slightest twinge of anxiety when you go into these kinds of things, then you probably don't belong there. It's always nice to see players who do, even if they preform badly, because at least you know that they are somewhat invested in favorable results and will likely improve over time, regardless of if they get chewed out for playing badly along the way.

[Ama_Hamada]

I admire your sense of personal accountability.Sadly, that is a quality that a lot of players lack. It's all too common to see people just gun their way forwards without any regard to their role, responsibilities, or teammates. It's a mentality that I think has been bred into the current generation of gamers by instant gratification games which value personal stats (such as Kill : Death) over your actual result/win rate, and quite frankly, it shows in how they play.

Had one just now
Me>all i asked you is why you charged in a base like that, i do not understand why you couldn't answer
them> because it's a 72 man

I may poke at people with ruin II while they are mounted but I run back out right away. I do not go charging in a base feeding the other team and putting other teammates in danger particularly me, because I went in heal him deeper then I should have, hoping he would back off, they didn't and I had to let them die. They got defensive because i asked and "called them out" and my reply to that is that I am trying to do my best to help the team win, while I see people that do not care, you think that is not going to cause conflict and arguments when people act like that?

SE also does not see you can be toxic though actions too, like this situation. In feast it may be though feeding or spamming "good job" when someone dies, and or losing. NO AMOUNT of censorship will block toxic play.

Why don't you get it? The tools that are used to police other players are all but unusable in feast. Could SE put effort into making tools, yes. Do they half @55 a lot of stuff 100% yes. Will they make tools to police players better and add chat back who knows.

Player in frontlines today, flames suck ducks plus other useful contributions. When 5 mins were up we booted him. How does that work in feast? Oh and someone was nice enough to screenshot us winning that match http://imgur.com/JFfIRkn

You really need add more details because all I am seeing is you kick abused someone for not liking them, you are really not replying to anything I said? O_o

[Moonlite]

You really need add more details because all I am seeing is you kick abused someone for not liking them, you are really not replying to anything I said? O_o

Sorry didn't realize you wouldn't understand the whole comment of "suck a d*ck" would mean. The reason why we don't have to turn chat off in frontlines is abuse is easy to kick and replace or even win with one less player.

The other point is you keep bringing up other party formats in the game. Those modes have downtime and ability to boot someone, that feels the need to spend five minutes telling people they need to do various sexual acts. Feast does not work that way. I would prefer that SE would post names and brand people with irremovable titles that don't use chat properly. People have no fear of how they act and it feels like half the people think it is right,acceptable,merited (pick a word).

[loreleidiangelo]

I admire your sense of personal accountability. Sadly, that is a quality that a lot of players lack. It's all too common to see people just gun their way forwards without any regard to their role, responsibilities, or teammates. It's a mentality that I think has been bred into the current generation of gamers by instant gratification games which value personal stats (such as Kill : Death) over your actual result/win rate, and quite frankly, it shows in how they play.

A certain degree of anxiety is a good thing in a game mode like this, because you really should feel at least some accountability for the success or failure of your team. That's the same in Feast as it is in a savage raid or an extreme trial. It sounds harsh, but if you're not feeling at least the slightest twinge of anxiety when you go into these kinds of things, then you probably don't belong there. It's always nice to see players who do, even if they preform badly, because at least you know that they are somewhat invested in favorable results and will likely improve over time, regardless of if they get chewed out for playing badly along the way.

Thanks. Today I'll be stepping in for the first time (I have the next two days off, so gonna try to grind out the Garo mount before I lose my nerves and/or before the queues dry up), so if anyone here sees me on their team, sorry if I'm not doing so well. Do know that I'm trying, at least, and like the rest of you wish that we could use chat so I could get some pointers.

I mean, I understand where the anti-chat people are coming from, I do - everybody should be allowed to learn and make mistakes with helpful feedback and support from their team, not sarcasm and "FAIL" ASCII macros. But at the same time...they're just words. I get them all the time in WoW, and they didn't stop me from PVPing there (as a healer, too, which is arguably way more difficult than trying to heal here due to the current melee pain train meta over there). Yes, I used to get people send me whispers in a match telling me to uninstall, or someone in chat saying "ugh our retard healers are just handing the match to them". You know what? I just skimmed it, or ignored them. Even harshly-worded advice I took note of ("Jesus Christ heals, why don't you try line-of-sighting next time?"), because that was how I adapted to challenged presented, but it seems like here, people would just cry about being harassed rather than look for the kernels of truth buried within the rudeness. I see it in PVE, as well.

It's kind of like a double onus, to me. Veterans SHOULD work on keeping their tempers in check, even in a competitive mode. But new players should also actually read what is being presented, not just how it's being presented, and draw their own conclusions from there before immediately crying foul. For the most part, in WoW, I didn't pay attention to things like "heals???" or "wtf our healers are awful", because only I am the most accurate metric of my own performance. I know when I'm doing as well as I can with the noobs and the yoloers, and I also know when I make a poor decision and am not with my team when they need me most. That's kind of why this whole thing frustrates me - have some confidence, people! Rather than applauding a mass gag order that protects your delicate sensitivities, feel more mature about yourself and acknowledge when vitriolic statements contain valuable criticism, and when they're just an idiot blowing hot air.

Now, I have none of that. I simply have to go in, play a match in utter silence other than "Get medals!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Fall back!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!" "Nice job!". What does that tell me? What value is there in those statements? I could think, "Awesome, I got medals like they said" and run around with 10 stacks all match and because the other team is just as poorly coordinated still somehow win. And I'll think that's how every match is supposed to be played, instead of someone - even if worded harshly - being able to say, "dude don't grab that many stacks next time, you nearly cost us the match. only get like 2 as heals". And heaven forfend the person who tries to use that damned "Nice job!" macro unironically, FFS. People are already starting to see it as sarcasm, even in the rare case it might not be. What will the pearl-clutchers do now?

[kirby200]

To offer a differing perspective, I am terrified to try out even unranked Feast now, despite the Garo rewards, simply because I will have no idea what I'm doing poorly, or well, or what my teammates are trying to achieve and if I should follow them or stay back because I'm needed elsewhere.

I understand your struggle but with or without chat everyone has been through the struggle of the bottom tiers with countless people making errors, the best advice I can give is keep trying. I got mocked so hard as a DRK but with practice makes perfect and all you can really do in solo queue is to put the time in and you will notice significant improvements to your performance.

[Ama_Hamada]

I actually prefer the new feature the feast is so much more enjoyable now and even at higher tiers I still found toxicity. Previous to this I found it a stressful experience and now I find it an enjoyable experience after work.

You want stress? try being a healer with a tank that does not slow down on request, still pulls large when you tell them not to, pulls bosses when you say you need a minute to afk
PvE is way more toxic then PvP is

[Canadane]

You want stress? try being a healer with a tank that does not slow down on request, still pulls large when you tell them not to, pulls bosses when you say you need a minute to afk
PvE is way more toxic then PvP is

The advice to the healer would be the same in either situation here...

[Ama_Hamada]

The advice to the healer would be the same in either situation here...

to ban chat? my comment was to point out it is hypercritical to say it is good in pvp and only in pvp, ban all chat is what i am hearing from people saying this is a good thing. Why the double standard?

[Moonlite]

to ban chat? my comment was to point out it is hypercritical to say it is good in pvp and only in pvp, ban all chat is what i am hearing from people saying this is a good thing. Why the double standard?

Why don't you get it? The tools that are used to police other players are all but unusable in feast. Could SE put effort into making tools, yes. Do they half @55 a lot of stuff 100% yes. Will they make tools to police players better and add chat back who knows.

Player in frontlines today, flames suck ducks plus other useful contributions. When 5 mins were up we booted him. How does that work in feast? Oh and someone was nice enough to screenshot us winning that match http://imgur.com/JFfIRkn