Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Naunet]

You may want to ditch the not-so-subtle personal attacks and the smug sense of superiority if what you're after is a civil debate. Your view of 'everyone should be able to do what they want' isn't shared by everybody, nor is it necessarily the best stance for the developers to take.

Really? After all the posts of people outright insulting me and calling me names, you're going to choose my rather mild in comparison annoyance (that wasn't smug at all) to call out?

[Miste]

Because some people in this thread are bent on forcing other folk to only glamour what they approve of, while others want to just be able to glamour what we want. Only one of those groups is actually following the "live and let live" philosophy.

You have it all wrong again. It isn't 'what we approve of' it is the lore that SE follows. SE limited it not us; some of us just agree with their decision on the matter. You want to get mad at people forcing on you what you can and cannot glamour then aim it at SE; not me like you are doing right now lol

Agreeing with a decision doesn't mean I, or anyone else here, was the one who forced it on you. Think about what you are saying. I don't own SE. I don't work at SE. I can post my suggestions/feedback, but it doesn't mean they are going to listen to me lol

You also don't understand why I said what I said about the live and let live and to each his own.

Live and let live means to not interfere with other people's preferences...thing is we aren't. Sharing opinions is something you are free to do and so is everyone else. If only YOU are allowed to share your opinions then you are interfering with other people's rights to share theirs; it just doesn't work that way Naunet. We don't make the decisions so we are not the ones interfering with your preferences. You could argue that SE is the one interfering...but it's THEIR game...they can do what they want with it even if it means setting fire to the servers tomorrow.

To each his own means each person is entitled to his or her own personal tastes and opinions and not to be judgemental about them. Saying that and then laughing that people are arguing something that is a "no-brainer" is being judgemental...total hypocrisy. Which is why I responded.

If you notice I never once said yours or bswpayton's opinions were laughable I actually wrote twice that I concede you guys have a point about more options is better and I understand why you want it, but I just also feel like it would be unfair to take that already very small amount of gear, that is special since it is locked to a single job, away from people who have a preference for some of those features to be included in the game. Take it away and then the idea of job specific gear that only one job can wear/glamour is removed altogether. What about people who like that feature? Most of you who want the restrictions removed aren't willing to compromise even though you have the vast majority of the gear available to you already.

[Gemina]

... Its a game not a law book, and its wrong of you to say we dont care about the game otherwise why would we be makin suggestions that we believe would improve the game play for the majority of players that arent stubborn about folklore.

I never said you don't care about the game. I said you fail to understand what makes Final Fantasy XIV a Final Fantasy experience and game. If you have to reword what someone tells you in order to make a point, then it is pointless to continue a discussion with you.

It is difficult to take a console based game and put it in the MMORPG world and keep the same feel. They learned a lot from XI, and XIV has provided the closest to that experience from what I have played through thus far. Your arguments about the level 1 gear, and no one wearing their AF are all irrelevant because you fail to see why it is so important for certain principles of this franchise to remain intact. This is the law book that you think doesn't exist, but it in fact does.

Read post 268 by ReplicaX, and you should get a good idea at exactly how the devs feel about their game.

[NolLacnala]

And Esoterics (though I feel a few of these sets weren't really popular).
The only "AF's" I wouldn't have locked are the Crafters and Gatherer gears. So many neat designs that we rarely get to see

Yea, I feel those pieces should say "Specific Crafter, Disciples Of War Or Magic" or "All Classes". DF would need a warning though if someone tried to go in actually wearing crafting gear as armor instead of as glamour, something like "One or more party members thinks they'll build a bridge to the boss."

[Gemina]

I honestly wouldn't care? People really need to stop getting so angry about what OTHER PEOPLE glamour on THEIR characters.

I'm not angry, and I don't care what people glamour on their characters. But this isn't about what people are choosing to glamour; this is about what people want to glamour, and I do care very much about compromising the integrity and identity of the franchise that has been a part of my gaming history for the better part of two decades.

[Caitlyn]

Please lift glamour restrictions! Its so annoying to build a style but soon realizing, its not possible due to class restrictions. Especially some cosplay glamours would be so nice, when you have a larger variety of items you can choose from.

But not only for classes, it would love to wear some race-/gender-specific gear for my character, too. Like the Elezen hands and Miqo'te skirt for my Au Ra. Or the Hempen Camise, which is different for each race. The Miqo'te and Hyur-version of this item is so beautiful!

[Assirra]

Ok and various other mmos let you wear gear that you want also, thats kinda my point that SE if enough people wanted such a thing then they would make it happen. The Identification was taking away as soon as the game sent out their first chocobo head or santa suit, as far as Identification in this game most of the time the only way you know is by viva soul crystal or the weapon thats out at the time.

So dont act like making this change would all of a sudden make it even harder to identify because you cant even do this now as is, the only way any of the counter arguments on here would make sense is if the game never allowed any sorts of armor to be glamed other than what would be deemed job appropriate.

But they did my very picture is not me in my whm, summoner, blm, or any caster gear this is my dark knight, nobody has every said omg why are you wearing a mags hate on your drk you arent drk appropriate. You guys are spending to much time worried about the next person.

Various other mmo's don't have the legacy of Final Fantasy. Most are nothing but mmo to begin with.
You also miss the identification point completely. It is not about the person wearing the gear, it is about the gear itself.

[Wanzer]

Really? After all the posts of people outright insulting me and calling me names, you're going to choose my rather mild in comparison annoyance (that wasn't smug at all) to call out?

Nobody did this. Don't victimise yourself, there is no point to do this. :s
And yeah, it was smug. The general tone of your comment certainly was. Others did the same, but at least they aren't saying the opposite.

[MistakeNot]

I always try to see both sides of things, but in this case it is really difficult to do so when one side just can't understand why regardless of the circumstances, or how a game is structured, it is simply inappropriate for one job to be wearing OR GLAMOUR ANY of the pieces of artifact gear from another job. If you can't get it through your heads why it just isn't ok, then you just don't understand Final Fantasy.

This may explain why none of your arguments make any sense at all to me.
I have never played any of the other Final Fantasy games. I have no desire to play them, and the whole Final Fantasy franchise means nothing to me. I suspect this is true for a large number of other FFXIV players as well.

In my view the identity of jobs lie in their abilities, not their looks. Few players in-game wear their "iconic" gear anyway - suggesting that most don't care for it.

[bswpayton]

I'm really hoping that we can get some sort of out reach going so the devs can actually move towards this direction in the future. I'm sorry for those whom disagree there is just really no argument considering our current glamour system.

Yes we want it all and there is nothing wrong with that this is a video game, so unbreakable rules or lore really shouldnt be an issue that happens in real life this is not real life and its a made up fantasy world. So Im hoping that something changes in the future because like I said this would hopefully enhance the glamour system to become better than it is now, and its truely something everyone can do. Everyone doesnt raid, everyone doesnt craft, but many if not all people use the glamour system and I hope we can actually get these restrictions lifted at some point.