Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Vaeria]

Oh, and 'Stop trying to force that 'I only want unrestricted creative options and I want others subjected to this rule too' viewpoint on others.' I tweaked it a bit, but sound familiar? You might want to look closely at what I am showing you here.

I understand youre making a sincere attempt at a comeback here (by GOD you get major points for creativity attempting to 'tweak' my words) but did you even read what you tried to tweak? *insert tyranical kingly voice* "I DEMAND ye be subjected to greater creative options. I DEMAND ye be made to suffer by being allowed to have more ways of expressing yourself artistically."

Ya got me Miste. Yeeep...that reeeally makes me a terrible person.

...heres the difference in contrast with your attempted 'tweaking': I WANT more creative options, which you can either enjoy as well....or ignore completely in favor of maintaining some time honored ff tradition (lol). Such a request has no impact on those who chose not to utilize it. On the other hand, YOU want the restriction maintained for all, so that neither you, NOR I can make use of it. (again..why I stated to each his own, live and let live) So whose trying to force something upon another here hmm??

Liiiiike I said...just cracks the hell out of me that the one person with more posts on the thread than anyone else is also the person going directly against said thread's message. *stamps foot "I'm here to make my viewpoint heard dabnabbit!* yes...yes you most certainly are.

[Niwashi]

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You can cut out the snark and insults. It's really hurting any chance you could have of being taken seriously. People shouldn't need to wade through all that vitriol to find if you had any point buried in there. But I think I found the nearest thing you had to a point here:

"More is just better." More options, more results.Yet, some want just the opposite. The phrase 'To each his own' means to let those who do want it..have it. Those who don't...then just don't utilize it.

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

When I complete my next White Mage quest, I want to be able to wear the iconic set that identifies me as a fully trained White Mage. You're proposing that I should no longer be allowed to do that. Sure, I could wear a robe that coincidentally happens to be white and coincidentally happens to have red triangle trim, but if this request were approved, then it would no longer be a White Mage robe, just another random generic robe that anybody of any class/job could wear.

It's equally true of all other jobs, of course. (I really just picked WHM as my example because its robe is easy to describe.) We're currently allowed to show off our position as a White Mage, or as a Dragoon, or as an Alchemist, or whatever. If all class/job glamour restrictions were removed (even for AF) then we would no longer be able to do that. The visual identity of the different jobs would be lost.

And sure, there are some players who don't really care about that loss. But saying that those who do should lose an entire feature of the game (and of the franchise) just so that those who don't can get a few more random items is most certainly not "To each his own". You can't just "not utilize" a loss of something you're no longer able to do.

[Naunet]

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

I vanished from this thread because the back and forth was getting absolutely ridiculous, but this... just doesn't follow at all. Please don't turn my request into something it absolutely is not. I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme and pretending that I'm asking for that is disingenuous at best.

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

[Vaeria]

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

When I complete my next White Mage quest, I want to be able to wear the iconic set that identifies me as a fully trained White Mage. You're proposing that I should no longer be allowed to do that.

Can you read Niwashi? Yes, you say? Good! (I had absolute faith you could!) Now that that's been established, lets read the title with this thread together, shall we~ 'PLEASE LIFT GLAM RESTRICTIONS." Contrary to your above statement, yeaaaaaah...that actually does suggest adding stuffs. Cuz like, ya know, when that ol restriction gets lifted, extra options get opened up that weren't previously there. Cool, huh? ...no? /le sigh.

So you think that, by asking for a lift on gear glam restrictions, Im proposing you no longer be allowed to be identified as a certified, bonified, professional, gee golly wiz state-o-the-art whitemage? That because some drg lets the same white robes as you flap in the wind as hes jumping insteada healing, your very ff-ish persona is devalued beyond all hope of salvation, hmmmm?? Heres the thing....gonna say it ooone more time, purely for the sake of saying it one more time: Live...and let live. I couldn't care less if you took said robes, stripped completely nekkie, wrapped them around a lance, went to Uldah...and beat the 1st homeless lala you came across senseless with them. What you choose to do (or not do) with your valued time honored well earned job gear..means less to me than the rocks squished into the patterns on the bottom of my shoe.

"I don't wanna see my precious armor on someone who has no right to wear it."

Why the hell should I have to be subjected to a standard you wanna inflict upon yourself when I couldn't give a crap about the lore? Contrary to what you may think..this isn't a 2-way arguement that goes both ways. By maintaining such a restriction...you get your way...while I suffer. In reverse, by lifting said restriction, you can maintain your traditional love while I get to make cool new designs. You still have 100% access to the pieces of your chosen profession...to be used however you so see fit. Nothing...contrary to your claims...is being 'taken away' from you.

"B-but people will get confused because my great whm-ness will no longer stand out as unique and that nasty drg will take some of mah glory away!" ~~well gee..thats what the "Examine' function is for.


Not speaking about you personally my dear Niwashi...but this has GOT to be, collectively, one of the biggest instances of grossly misplaced sentimentality me has ever come across.

[Clethoria]

The MNK wear is mostly, understandably, cloth/leather but I still want to have sick gauntlets and boss helm wear.

Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting your heavy hitter to be able to fight in a robe you'd normally find on a DoM. Tales of series put their MNK in a big dumb dress and the DRK equivalents in full cloth craft.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

What I don't understand is all of the arguments that it would "stray too far from the jobs identity" and "lore" and so on and so on in this game of magic called Final FANTASY. People don't seem to grasp that it's a glamour either. A magical spell. In a land of Fantasy. Glamour originally was a term applied to a magical-occult spell that was cast on somebody to make them see something the spell-caster wished them to see, when in fact it was not what it seemed to be. It's magic. It doesn't need to have a logical explanation or to make sense.
fan·ta·sy
ˈfan(t)əsē/
noun
1.
the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable.

mag·ic
ˈmajik/Submit
noun
1.
the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

So we have this amazing world of Fantasy and Magic that people want arbitrary restrictions on forrrrrrrr.........reasons.

Saw this thread and had to post here too. If people don't like the idea of a WHM looking like a DRG, just to give one example, then just don't glamour YOUR character to look like that. Don't punish the rest of us too because of this lame excuse that you don't like the way other people are going to look.

[ErryK]

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If it doesn't need to have a logical explanation or to make sense, then why make it so?

[DaikiKiyoshi]

If it doesn't need to have a logical explanation or to make sense, then why make it so?

Because this game is Final Fantasy. It's in the name for goodness sake. Why should a game about fantasy be bound by rules of logic and reason?

[Wanzer]

Don't punish the rest of us too because of this lame excuse that you don't like the way other people are going to look.

You almost got me there. Haha !
Maybe your choice of words is a little bit exaggerated. ^^;

Because this game is Final Fantasy. It's in the name for goodness sake. Why should a game about fantasy be bound by rules of logic and reason?

Because even imaginary worlds have their own coherence, even if they are full of magic.
Yeah, i know, bikini, pig suit, etc... It's just different there.

So now we are at that point, we are comparing different games to make our points ?
I'm currently on Let It Die so... Urk... Try... To... Resist... @_@

It's funny, i read all the pages of this thread and instead of asking more variety, you just want to ruin the concept of the AF, just because someone wants the boots from a job for another, or a pants, or a panty or... I don't know. :/

[ErryK]

Because this game is Final Fantasy. It's in the name for goodness sake. Why should a game about fantasy be bound by rules of logic and reason?

Well we may as well get rid of the laws, rules, lore, city-states, boundaries, etc. No point in having any logic or coherence in a "Fantasy" world.