Please lift glamour restrictions!

[bswpayton]

Removing restrictions means precisely that there will be no individual job identity. Everyone being able to wear everything means we .

Thats your assumption tho, because obviously this would be a dev decision you are taking it a step futher than need be, just because people could wear what they wanted doesnt mean they would just stop making gear for each job.

That doesn't mean that they would just start making all class gear sets, because this is glamour so a tank would still have gear made for it are any jobs simply because of stat points. They could never go to an all jobs gear set and never would, this is called glamour its a paste over not actually wearing the gear. If what you are claiming was the case then everyone would have level one gear stats , and we both no thats not happening because its the illusion like everyone keeps saying and everyone keeps over looking.

It would change if we actually wore the gear and it wasnt glamour, but because its a paste over then there would be no reason each job would ever not have their on gear sets made forever. So nobody would lose thier identity, it would just be some people wearing what they want and others wearing their traditional stuff its called variety and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

Not an assumption. If they did start doing this, gear would have to look extremely generic so that it can match any job, which on its own already removes class identity. Even if, say, a DRG wears job specific stuff, he'll still look identical to that SCH over there wearing the exact same gear. Remove restrictions, and rather than having structure, you singlehandedly turn everyone into a generic carbon copy of everyone else. There's nothing anyone could do to stand out visually, or thematically.

I don't see why anyone would promote that. I'll take my diversity, and happily, thanks!

[Nestama]

I would say unlock everything except AF/Myth, those can remain iconic. And as much as I want my megabusters, locking Eso would be necessary because AST/MCH/DRK iconic sets are in there.

And Esoterics (though I feel a few of these sets weren't really popular).
The only "AF's" I wouldn't have locked are the Crafters and Gatherer gears. So many neat designs that we rarely get to see

[Miste]

If you want jobs, classes etc to have a visual identity and whatnot, you have to advocate not just for it to be kept with future additions, but you also have to advocate that everything that currently violates that identity be removed. Every swimsuit, every cloth armor, every haircut, every costume and that includes the veteran rewards - they all need to be removed as options for those jobs where they do not fit into the identity.
That is the consequence of the identity argument.
People keep avoiding that and uphold a double standard that it's okay for some violations like Bikini/leather/robe tanks to exist but others like full metal mages not. They keep using that argument and then turn around on it. That is what I'm criticizing. I don't care which side a person is on. If someone is dead set on insisting every mage has to wear a burqa - that's their opinion. If they have that opinion however, they should be consequent about it and not go around and say:"Doesn't go for hot miqo'te chicks."

I hope you are trolling....because this is a ridiculous "it has to be all or nothing" argument. Stuff doesn't work that way, nor would sensible people want it to work that way and it is selfish. Compromise seems to be a word people lack the definition of...since that's what SE has to do a lot with glamours. Compromise to please a lot of different kinds of people all at once.

Have specific to FF series iconic lore gear to please long time fans.
Have new unique stuff to appeal to people who like to have new things unique to FFXIV instead of only recycled stuff from previous games.
Have many different kinds of gear for each job to wear and keep building on it to satisfy people who want a lot of variety of styles.
Have some fluff/silly/pretty glamour to appeal to people with less serious mindsets and people who like more stylish/modern clothes.

There are already a lot of options to be creative already not everything has to be given to every job. It's not that the jobs have to always look like the lore identifies them it is more that IF someone is wearing or glamouring their job specific gear then they can easily be recognized as that iconic job.

Job specific gear is already only very few sets of gear out of the whole picture (only like 5-10% of the gear in the game is locked to one job), but some people are so uncompromising they want it ALL because they want to ignore that other people play this game too and care about the fact we should keep some lore intact. I dislike bikini tanks and that pig costume and many other sets of gear in the game, but I am not selfish enough to ask them be removed just because I don't like them, since there are plenty of other options I like that I can use for my characters.

Yeah we can't always follow lore because the game would be too restrictive and not appeal to enough different kinds of people, but when the lore gear is already the minority and you want to take it away...nah...it is a valid reason to not do it.

[bswpayton]

I hope you are trolling....because this is a ridiculous "it has to be all or nothing" argument. Stuff doesn't work that way, nor would sensible people want

This logic is so flawed how on earth someone is selfish for wanting to allow people to paste over gear is insane. Unless you know if they remove the restriction all of a sudden they will just stop making job specific gear, unless you no this for a fact then you couldn't use this as an argument.

Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one. If for instance you have a whm robe on , and you then see a scholar wearing the same robe for your character did that change your characters identity no it wouldnt, because you are playing your character dont worry about what the next person is wearing. How can someone get that upset about what another player is doing with their on character , I dont believe in forcing my will on someone else.

Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things and everyone here knows this. But once again because you dont agree with the idea then its wrong , and that is what I call selfish. Lifting the restriction if they still made the gear pieces for each job would effect no one in the game , It would just upset those whom want things their way only.

[Nezerius]

Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one.

So you're essentially calling the developers selfish for not allowing you to wear the WHM AF robe on your DRK.

Nice one.

[Miste]

This logic is so flawed how on earth someone is selfish for wanting to allow people to paste over gear is insane. Unless you know if they remove the restriction all of a sudden they will just stop making job specific gear, unless you no this for a fact then you couldn't use this as an argument.

You don't understand what I said at all...and it seems you don't understand why the mentality of what Zojha posted was selfish (notice I said the mentality of their words, not that they themselves are selfish)..so I'll explain.

The all or nothing mentality is inherently selfish sorry if you didn't know this. All or nothing means compromise is not an option and compromise is inherently unselfish because it creates a mutual partnership where both sides give up certain things to make both sides mostly happy even if it isn't 100% one way or the other. So it is both sharing a 50% happiness instead of one side being 100% happy and the other being 0% and miserable. Sort of like our IRL relationships yeah?

Its not the desire that is selfish, it is the not caring about the other side and pretending their reasons don't exist that is selfish and the mentality that you must have all of something your way. I assure you with the fact I have studied some psychology I am not insane...very kind of you to try to label me as such though.

Considering around 90% of the game's gear is not locked to one single job I would say we probably don't need to take anymore away from the people who like the job lore, the lore gear, and like having a few exclusive things to compound their job's identity.

Since you didn't read it obviously I'll mention again this game has gearsets I don't like, but I understand that others DO like some of these sets. They like it so I won't advocate taking it away from them especially since the silly/ugly gear is very minority and I have many many many other options to choose from instead of being selfish and trying to take it away from them.

It would be like if I was sitting surrounded by a dozen toys to play with yet I go and take the one toy that the person next to me is playing with even though I had so many other options to choose from without reaching over and taking away the one toy this other person had.

Also you should actually read all my posts more thoroughly because I explain often about compromise. SE ceasing to create job specific gear isn't the point; the point is job specific gear is job specific gear, it is created for that job only. Even if they remove restrictions and still create the job gear the lore is still ruined at that point...you really didn't read my posts.

Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one.

Really so...it isn't selfish when you take something away from people who don't want it taken away? Especially when that something is already a minority? The game in general puts lore on the back burner very often already. They need to keep some lore things intact (notice I didn't say all).

Also none of us players took anything away from you or held you back. SE did. Some of us just advocate it stay how they designed it.

I dont believe in forcing my will on someone else.

You called my logic flawed, but the logic that is definitely flawed here is yours....if you ignore what other people want to keep and insist there is no reason why it shouldn't be taken away from them you ARE forcing your will onto someone else. You refuse to understand and take into consideration points made by others. It is okay to not accept lore as a reason to not remove restrictions, but you can't just pretend it doesn't exist. Which was the point of all my posts pretty much.

Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things and everyone here knows this.

Never said that people are calling the removal of it. I said lore gear is already the minority and you want to take it away. This is not an incorrect statement. If you remove the restrictions the gear is no longer following the lore therefore you took away "lore gear". So again you need to read more carefully because you aren't understanding what is being said.

But once again because you dont agree with the idea then its wrong , and that is what I call selfish. Lifting the restriction if they still made the gear pieces for each job would effect no one in the game

I never said anywhere that just because I don't agree the idea is wrong. I was talking about the fact that people are ignoring that lore is there even with ample evidence that it is. I keep saying that "lore is a valid reason to not remove restrictions" not 'you can't have it because I said so'.

I've also said multiple times you don't have to accept lore as a reason, but you can't go around screaming "but there is no lore that says that in the game!" whenever someone posts that lore is a reason they shouldn't remove it.

So no, I am not selfish, far from it. Just because I do not want lore gear taken away does not mean I have to have things my way only and it is extremely obvious at this point you never read most of my posts because multiple times I have stated that compromising is something I support and conceded that I understand why people want the gear restrictions removed even if I don't personally agree.

It would just upset those whom want things their way only.

Gear is the main subject of this thread. You want ALL gear unrestricted; which means all gear would be the way YOU want it. YOU are the one who wants things their way only. You refuse to allow any restrictions even if others want some. Instead of having all gear the way YOU want it, I feel a compromise is better so that there are still some lore gear job specific sets that are locked to those jobs to make sure one side isn't completely alienated.

You might want to spend some time thinking about what you just posted because it is full of hypocrisy.

[Enur]

My two items of low value on this subject:

I honestly dont care if a Black Mage got access to more plate gear. Or if a Paladin got some more robes to choose from. More options is always good, to a certain extent. I would love to wear heavy armor on my BLM and MNK like Yda and Papalymo does, without having to pay cash for it.

What would annoy me however would be seeing a black mage dressed like this


There are so few job locked items in this game. Can they not just be left as is? I see no reason why it should be opened. I have no experience in any other FF titles, so if theres any nostalgic reasons for keeping it as is, the reasons wont appeal to me.
Yet still, i just want the iconic gearsets to be only for the job they represent.

Would it be absolutely gamebreaking to open up the restriction? No. It wouldnt.

Lets keep what little job identity is left intact please? That'd be swell.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things.

Asking to be able to glam job specific gear is asking for the removal of job specific gear. If you can glam it on multiple jobs, it's not job specific. How do you not understand this? It's an incredibly basic concept.

[MistakeNot]

Not an assumption. If they did start doing this, gear would have to look extremely generic so that it can match any job, which on its own already removes class identity. Even if, say, a DRG wears job specific stuff, he'll still look identical to that SCH over there wearing the exact same gear. Remove restrictions, and rather than having structure, you singlehandedly turn everyone into a generic carbon copy of everyone else. There's nothing anyone could do to stand out visually, or thematically.

I don't see why anyone would promote that. I'll take my diversity, and happily, thanks!

Not true at all. As far as looks are concerned few people are wearing their job gear today. Removing restrictions on glamours won't make people look any more similar than they already do. Only real difference would be that mages can look like tanks then. Tanks can already look like mages, so making that symmetrical would be nice.


Judging from other games, removing restrictions will mean more diversity, not less.