Motivation for raiding

[Dzian]

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Some great points here but I think there's a couple of points you missed. Everything this game does is done with the aim of accessibility. from a game standpoint Savage raiding is as accessible as it can possibly be. literally all you need to do is get to 60 grab some 250 crafted gear, jump in the raid finder and go. they can't really do much to make it more accessible than that.

They can however fix the incentives and rewards from raiding which could in turn encourage more people to take the plunge. accessiblitiy isn't what keeps me out of raiding for example. I can jump into it anytime I want just hitting the raid finder. the problem for me is the rewards are the end aren't worth it and are completely unnecessary.. they might be good today but next week they'll be junk. and tomorrow there'll be easier to get alternatives at the same ilevel...

the other issue is as you said the playerbase. we live in an instant gratification zero patience society, where people are so used to getting whatever they want instantly that there is no patience at all. which is why when you do see people trying to form staitcs they have crazy hours. theres on in my server pf right now for a11s sunday-thursday 7pm 11pm est. 5 nights a week!!!

its also a superficial society where players who do join statics do so only so long as it benefits them to be in that static or as long as it takes for something better to come along.. there's no lasting teamwork or camradarie. this is also why fcs and ls groups are little more than glorified chat channels... but duty finder encourages this mentality because you don't need any social interaction or team work. just hit the duty finder and go go go....

[Espritduo]

Some great points here but I think there's a couple of points you missed. Everything this game does is done with the aim of accessibility. from a game standpoint Savage raiding is as accessible as it can possibly be. literally all you need to do is get to 60 grab some 250 crafted gear, jump in the raid finder and go. they can't really do much to make it more accessible than that.

I don't know about that. There's a lot of things about raiding that are intentionally done to make it as inaccessible as humanly possible. You say all you need to do is jump into raid finder and go...but that never works. You'll be sitting in a queue that never fills because of all the restrictions and punishments for trying to raid. After my raiding hours for the week I've tried using raid finder for some extra practice in things like A11s and A12s...it never once even half filled, even after entire days in the queue. The problems that create such ridiculous lack of participation in raiding are pretty unnecessary and only serve to force people into dedicated statics or GTFO:

1. You can only access a floor if you have cleared the previous floors, per week. Get rid of this BS. Once you clear a floor, it should be cleared forever, like all other content in the game. You only need to go back to it to get your weekly drop. This is the single biggest thing that makes q'ing for things like A12s an impossible waste of time. The only people even capable of q'ing for A12s are people who have already cleared A9s, A10s and A11s that week. Almost nobody falls into that category who isn't already in a static and in no need of raid finder.

2. Anyone who has cleared for the week is only punishing anyone else they try to help due to the reduced loot drop for them being there. Get rid of this BS. This is the second biggest reason no one is in the queue and no one wants to help others.

3. Anyone who clears is locked out of loot no matter what they got or didn't get. Get rid of this BS. Savage should work the same as all other weekly lockouts. You are free to keep doing the content until you actually get something.

As long as these three unnecessarily harsh restrictions are in place (restrictions that do not exist in any other content in the game), raiding will remain a pointlessly gated, extremely inaccessible area of the game that only people with very specific pre-made groups can actually do reasonably. I got lucky, most people do not. Raid Finder past A9s doesn't work. At all.