Alexander 12N Tuning

[Deceptus]

I didn't say you weren't capable but everyone can get better. Also I haven't had a run yet that drastic so I think you had bad luck.

But then you backtrack and say



which is not everyone else but you.

By the second part I meant if someone made a mistake and got hit by say Sacrament, they were down quite a considerable about of HP. Or when Blazing Scourge hit the two players, it took them down 1/2 to 3/4 of their HP (not grouped together). That's tank buster territory on DPS. Meanwhile the tank is getting smacked and a raid AoE damage is coming out. Many are right in the sense that this is going to separate the Good Healers from the Decent Ones, basically Vault 2.0, but again that should be the place of Savage mode, NOT story.

Savage raiders need to get out of this thread because it doesn't apply to them. This mode is for the casuals, the majority of players.

[Aquaslash]

While the ones before (A9-11) seem challenging while doable the amount of raid damage that goes out along with tank busters and vulnerability stacks make A12N a severe pain for healers.

Anyone else find it is a bit over tuned for a story mode raid?

Edit: For clarity, my point is it's a normal, mode story duty. It's not hardcore content, and shouldn't have hardcore damage numbers and mechanics. SE should want players to complete it and be able to see the story, not bang their heads against a boss. I'm not saying severe nerfs, I'm simply saying in the scheme of A9,10,11, and 12, A12N seems quite a step up from the others. Even A11N IMO had less consistent raidwide damage that had to be healed.

A11 was worse. You know how many times I ate floor because healers wouldn't shield me and top me off when I got preyed? Too many. I even told them that they needed to give attention to preyed targets and still got bodied.

It's bad enough I'm a DRG main

[Werhusky]

I seen the title and post and was like: wutt???

A4 and A8 had similiar complaints at start and after 2 weeks it's easily DFable. It is not hard to heal imo just don't be shy to use a heal lb if things go wrong. In one run I even heal lb3ed even tho noone was dead yet but most were at like 20-30% and boss was casting timefreeze mechanic.

If anything so far my DF runs struggled on DPS checks (seems there are some).

Also as SCH I doubt to be behind in any regard healwise....

[Sparktacus]

Many are right in the sense that this is going to separate the Good Healers from the Decent Ones, basically Vault 2.0, but again that should be the place of Savage mode, NOT story.

Savage raiders need to get out of this thread because it doesn't apply to them. This mode is for the casuals, the majority of players.

I think this is going to boil down to an opinion of what should be considered standard of your job role at this point in the game. I personally don't feel normal is at savage level but so far I have only been in A9S so take my opinion for what it's worth.

At this point it might not hurt for devs to consider doing solo job quest with npc companions as a story mode for raids. I don't think it would hurt too much and it would make people happy that only want to see story and make others that want more party oriented battle content happy by not having people forced to join that said content simply to see said story.

A11 was worse. You know how many times I ate floor because healers wouldn't shield me and top me off when I got preyed? Too many. I even told them that they needed to give attention to preyed targets and still got bodied.

It's bad enough I'm a DRG main

For what it's worth I totally agree that A11N is worse on healers.

[Taika]

I can agree that it's a bit challenging for healers, but I think it's only an issue because most of the content outside of Savage doesn't really offer any challenge at all for healers (you barely need to actually heal in most fights), so the basic standard for the role has been way too low (which is also why the role has such a high focus on DPS). In my own experience, healing wise this fight is similar to Ozma in Weeping City. It actually requires some planning and consideration from the healers, but if there are two healers focusing on mostly healing (instead of just staying in cleric stance like in most fights in the game), it's not that difficult. I for one welcome this level of difficulty for normal mode, and after seeing Weeping City and then this new Alexander I feel like they're starting to take this game to a better direction.

[Yona87]

A12 is a joke lol

[Bourne_Endeavor]

By the second part I meant if someone made a mistake and got hit by say Sacrament, they were down quite a considerable about of HP. Or when Blazing Scourge hit the two players, it took them down 1/2 to 3/4 of their HP (not grouped together). That's tank buster territory on DPS. Meanwhile the tank is getting smacked and a raid AoE damage is coming out. Many are right in the sense that this is going to separate the Good Healers from the Decent Ones, basically Vault 2.0, but again that should be the place of Savage mode, NOT story.

Savage raiders need to get out of this thread because it doesn't apply to them. This mode is for the casuals, the majority of players.

Let's not presume everyone who disagrees with you does Savage raiding. I, for one, have never stepped into Savage content. At least not yet. That doesn't mean i want the easier content to be such a joke I barely need to pay attention. Frankly, that's among what I feel bores people with the constant dungeon grind. A12 is the final fight in a year long raid and you expect it to be faceroll? Okay. Here's what you do. Wait a month and cap 1800 Scriptures. Use said Scriptures to upgrade your body and legs to ilvl 260. Go forth and proceed to murder Alexander. Problem solved.

[Duelle]

No dont change it. A lot of ppl have been asking for that middle ground between easy content and difficult content (savage). This for me is there. Im just an average player, dont do savage, normally play a healer and was able to beat it on my 4th try (ilevel 236) all in different groups in DF.
It hasnt been 1 week yet since release... Give it time, gear up some more. If community sees that after 3-4 weeks a lot of ppl are having difficulty then maybe ask for it.
For me it is fine as it is.

There is another way:

- Story Mode
- Normal Mode <= this is what you want
- Hard/Heroic/Savage/Mythic Mode

A12 is an intense fight. I lucked out because I had people that a) wanted to stick around to get the clear and b) were learning the mechanics as the fight went along. Based on prior experience, patience in pugs will significantly drop over the coming weeks, and that's something we have to take into consideration.

[SilkaN]

Don't nerf this fight.
A12 is the NM fight I've had the most fun with so far.

I did it with a DF pug and 4 of us, including me, were new.
Luckily, everyone was patient and aware of their surroundings. We cleared it after a few wipes.
I have to agree with someone on the first page of this thread, if your party is wiping, it's usually their own fault.

[LaylaTsarra]

I spent hours yesterday clearing A12. It wasn't fun and hopefully will get better when people learn the fight. I quickly watched a vid after the first or second try given the mechanics were far from obvious and the people there didn't explain the fight at all. That wasn't the case with A9, A10 and A11. Those fights went pretty well and people did explain mechanics to new people. I have 3 alts that will need clears and I'll try for clears with my alt Tiffa later today.

I'm not for nerfing it but it's definitely a fight that will potentially turn off a lot of casuals in my view.