Apparently, new player means no one can look anything up anymore

[SinisterJointss]

I'm a new player, and it's not this that makes it hard. Everyone that I've run into while leveling that has had it rough brought it on THEMSELVES.

Why? Because I don't want to struggle and die because I was too lazy to put in the work. All the time and energy I spent doing homework was time spent NOT WIPING IN DUNGEONS.

I look up fights because I need to know how they work. I need to know what I'm getting into so I can help others and lead the fights.

If you die to a mechanic, it is YOUR fault. If you don't know how to play your class, it is YOUR fault.

I have no pity for other new players who can't be bothered to help themselves.

So when the game first came out, how did you aquire all this info? Oh yea, you didnt because the info wasnt there. Learning the game, and your class is far more valuable than any guide will ever be. There was no "hall of the novice" at launch. I guess what I am saying is that learning how to play this game without a guide is 70% of the fun. Then once you are good at that you can and should start fine tuning.

[Reynhart]

For me and you who got to do this all while it was new and there were no expectations, its hard to see the need for a guide. But if someone wants to do there role right and does the prep work ahead of time it leads to a smoother run. More enjoyment for everyone.

We all had to do it "for the first time", it's no different.
And unless he knows no one, I'd say the most enjoying way to do a dungeon is by going with 3 friends, especially if you all go blind and learn the mechanics together.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

We all had to do it "for the first time", it's no different.
And unless he knows no one, I'd say the most enjoying way to do a dungeon is by going with 3 friends, especially if you all go blind and learn the mechanics together.

Yep the fun of update day and wiping on bosses you all have no clue about with friends.

[The_NPC]

wait whats this about... 'checks OP post' ah fair statement a "Green leaf" isn't always a real "Newbie", its a clasification that this avatar has only under X time or X achievement points in-game, that said will seeing said "leaf" naturally cause a need to be helpful/nice from "Everyone"? Nope, why cause everyones different & good luck trying to "Force/demand" ppl do such a thing (some will intentionally ignore or do different just cause u are being forceful)

Personally I'll give advice on boss mech apon request or a Wipe caused by such things & will note if they arn't using an "Aura" (MNK flame fist, PLD Shield oath, etc) if it is nessesary or might benifit them (Tank's). Thou gear can be a problem I do ask why some ppl wear the wrong accessory's per class or why their gear is so much lower then needed, however if it is possible I shall try to at lest get them threw the instance (Specificly a dungeon) as it may drop them a replacement item.

[Gemina]

From how OP worded it, it doesn't sound like the LNC asked for help or anything (so that pretty much makes your script collapse on itself). They just said "first time" at some point during/after the Chimera fight, which is usually the worst time to teach anyone how to anything. I also get the feeling the LNC probably wouldn't listen to given advice anyway, since they didn't seem to try to avoid 'basic AoEs.'

We are only hearing one side of the story. Granted we can only go off of the information given, but that doesn't mean to remain complacent with the fact that we don't know all the facts. We all know that DF really stands for "derp finder", but a lot of the community has been coaxed to believe that; to see a poorly equipped and skilled player and quickly assume they are just garbage. This needs to go away if the community as a whole is to improve.

My FC chat is filled with one player informing another player about something they weren't aware of, or haven't fully grasped. Some of these things many people would consider "obvious". One instance I had with a player who should have his soul stone equipped, I simply asked him if he had done his lv 30 job quest, and he in fact did have his stone. So when I asked why he had not equipped it his response was that he thought it was really bad that the stone made him lose half of his cross skills. He was totally unaware that those cross skills are traded for job specific abilities and a significant increase in stats. He put it on, and good to go. I walked away from the instance knowing that this player now knows exactly what those stones do.

I believe we should always try to help even the bad players. Crappy gear and skill doesn't necessarily mean the player is a lazy jerk, which would been labeled easily for the player I just described above. Lack of knowledge doesn't make them that way either. Those jerk players that are just poison... they show their true colors VERY quickly.

[dragonseth07]

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Yes, someone had to work everything out originally. I'm very thankful they did, and I'm sure it was a blast. And I know that doing content blind is fun. I did it all the time in other MMO's when I was younger.

However, I very much believe that my fun should not come at the expense of the rest of my party, so it's my responsibility to be at least moderately prepared, especially tanking or healing.

Also, the point of discovering information is to share it, so that it can be built upon. In school, you don't rediscover the wheel. You learn from those who have come before so that you can build on it and further it. The same applies any time there's learning to be had.

[ExKage]

Of course leaving them is a bad idea, but if they think that "First run" is a valid excuse for failing at everything not tied to the actual dungeon, yet it's clear they're not even trying.

Like I said, he's not right for being ignorant and playing poorly. It's not a valid excuse no but if they actually listen and learn when told instead of just being berated off the bat? We won't know because of this one post and from how biased it is. Yes the player sucked but I honestly sucked at dodging Ifrit and Titan's plumes in Hard Mode for about a week before I got better. His 'new' excuse is valid for Chimera deaths (not helped by the gear issues) and I don't know if those other 8 deaths to bosses were in the 2nd boss. Did he know to stay out of the middle? Did he know he could lessen or avoid the damage by staying away from the wurm's underground charge? Or did he think it was unavoidable?

As you said, "it's basic RPG knowledge" but if this is their first MMO? Their first RPG? It's their fault for not reading yes, but that just means they might need a little more help than others. I remember I was 13 and playing Breath of Fire and I screwed up the basics by not speaking to ONE NPC of all NPCs in a town. He had never been a part of the "linear" line and I wanted to get a move on. Shame on me because I went to check online what I had done wrong and it was the ONE NPC I didn't speak to. It happens.

Re:Gear, as far as I know the gear added was to the 45 and 50 quests (AF and AF+1/Myth) and other lvl 50 gear but it's at the end of the 2.0 ARR questline onwards. HW added the HQ gear. Otherwise before hand most of that gear is pretty honestly crap so if he was wearing dungeon gear he might have been under the erroneous assumption that his gear was still much better even with the level difference.

I can stand people not knowing mechanics, but I can't stand it when people put on the wrong piece of accessory just so they can get high enough for content, cause the reality is they aren't high enough for the content since IL Is nothing more than a number that says you should be meeting a certain main stat treshold. But you don't hit that treshold when your accessories are a mix of VIT, STR, DEX and MND.

Even the MSQ dungeons in HW are still meh in terms of iLVL requirements. I had a MCH with a plain Ironworks gun, ironworks left side with Chest+Pants Augmented, 2 DEX i130 accessories BUT STILL USE 2 i39 Accessories and 1 i38 accessory.

And he knew better because when he was happy about being 60 and being able to use the i240 torrent gun and I'd asked him if he could replace his accessories, he said no and that he could craft i220 ones 'soon'. Showing off a Caster and a Healer Midan accessory did not change how I felt about it.

[Reynhart]

However, I very much believe that my fun should not come at the expense of the rest of my party, so it's my responsibility to be at least moderately prepared, especially tanking or healing.

In this story, I think "being a DRG with appropriate gear would have been enough preparation".
For the "dodging" part, it depends on how it went. It can be pretty obvious wether a person is just moving late on simply not moving at all.

As you said, "it's basic RPG knowledge" but if this is their first MMO? Their first RPG? It's their fault for not reading yes, but that just means they might need a little more help than others.

The game litterally tells you anything you need to know, more now than ever with the novice hall. You can't skip hours of tutorial and then cry that you lack informations...

[Kerii]

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Let me sum Cutter's Cry up for you. On the first boss everyone burns the boss while the healer kites the adds and heals the tank. This requires the healer to be moderately skilled, but isn't hard to do. I've done it, and I'm not far from totally blind. On the second boss players should watch for the boss going underground and immediately run to a wall. In the last boss, players should run near the boss for lightning, away for ice, and to lead the orb away from the party. Range only need to stand as far away as possible. The only other thing worth noting is that the later packs of trash can be rough on undergeared or underskilled players, so tanks should consider pulling in accordance with their party. (*this is out of memory, so don't rage if I'm not as accurate as a visual guide)

The thing is that almost all of the dungeons and trials are that simple to explain. In fact the only time players need to look up a job guide is at max level to learn how to optimize their play. The only content where reading a guide is advisable is Ex primals and NM raids where mechanics are numerous and checks are a little tight, and the 24 man raids where things can get out of hand due to there being so many people involved. If you're going into savage raiding you should be well beyond the point of needing a guide to learn anything.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

The other day, I got into a CT run with lots of new blood. We wiped once and some people immediately started rage quitting and blaming the new guys. Funny part is that soon as they left and we got our immediate replacements, the run went smooth as butter.

Guess you are turning into the guys that you complained about.