Apparently, new player means no one can look anything up anymore

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I don't really know how anyone can explain how to dodge basic AoE's (some of which most likely killed him), though... that's something you pretty much learn from experience or the first time you ever see it. It's because of that (supposed) fact being stated that is making me question the LNC.

You tell them "don't stand in the stupid"

[JustPlainLucas]

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This is a game, not a research paper. Some people play blindly because they like to experience trial and error. But you know, a lot of new player syndrome exists because of attitudes like yours, where instead of people actually helping other people by providing advice, they'd rather be go to a forum and scoff them.

[Lulu89]

OP is form The World of Gilgamesh, what more do we need to know or talk about. -_-'

[Astral145]

Heres the difference between old school gamers and new school gamers.

OOOOOh New Dungeon

• Old School Gamer - Goes in blind then wonders what that lose rock would do if stepped on then jumps on the rock.
• New School Gamer - Launches Youtube... watches the "New Dungeon" guides... then avoids the lose rocks and would never experience the bear trap clamping down the foot followed by a volley of arrows and in case that is not enough to wipe the party an unavoidable OMEGA FLARE hits the party for 99,999,999 damage.

Oooooh New Raid

• Old School Gamer - On Day 1 goes in blind with a group of friends or crazy strangers then spends 5+ hours straight to learn the fight. You know nothing but wipes after wipes after wipes then all of a sudden something snaps and finally defeat the raid while under geared and with blood, sweat and tears Then says to everyone in the group "damn that was fun!!!!! Want to try T2?"
• New School Gamer - Waits 5+ days just to spend 2 boring hours watching Youtube videos for multiple ways of beating the fight. Then goes in with a few wipes... beats the raid and says to everyone in the groups "thats it? This raid is so boring bla bla bla bla........"

I can keep going but you get the point... If i knew everything before hand then what is the point in running the content? If i had this new school mentality I might as well just kick back and only watch others play the game. Anyways, don't knock people who enjoy experiencing something new w/out having to watch videos or whatever. Different strokes for different folks.......

[Remus]

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The Raid bit isn't correct. Videos don't release for quite some time until most of the world first statics have finished it which generally can be a 2 weeks or more depending on the tier.

[Astral145]

The Raid bit isn't correct. Videos don't release for quite some time until most of the world first statics have finished it which generally can be a 2 weeks or more depending on the tier.

Oh... I didn't know I dont watch videos to learn content....

[Remus]

Oh... I didn't know I dont watch videos to learn content....

Neither do I. With that said I know how raid videos are handled. It comes with being in the raid community. It's better to not speak about something you don't fully grasp because when someone points it out looks kinda silly.

[Astral145]

Neither do I. With that said I know how raid videos are handled. It comes with being in the raid community. It's better to not speak about something you don't fully grasp because when someone points it out looks kinda silly.

LOL I've been raiding for years and I dont follow other raiders who watch videos to learn the content and I am sure many other players who are raiders do not either.

[shape]

Many of us old school players do look up guides and get as much information as possible, why well for example I main tank, if I do not know my shit, shit probably will not get done.
We have a sense of responsibility to not fuck others over.

Have I had to do blind runs for progression in my younger years ? yes it was hell, did we also use guides/information as soon as it was available or release our own also Yes.
Information is power.

To sum this up many people go blind and outright refuse to use guides, even after the first run, this is fine as long as they learn fast, if they do not be prepared for the possible scrutiny that comes with this choice.
Information is power.

As for the actual problem the new player was not in the wrong for not looking up the dungeon but they where for not being ready to do said dungeon, yes this includes going in as a class, not being geared in presumably all three areas armour, accessories and most important the weapon. This all just points towards the type of player who does not care how they effect others experience.

As a mentor I would point this out and try to help. But to be honest the best solution would be to have them leave and sort their shit out, after they had received the knowledge they required. Dying 8 times in any of the dungeons, not raids (24man) is abnormal. Yes they would lose time but coming back with appropriate gear and a job would give him an easier more enjoyable run as well as for the other three people in the party.

Why is my mindset the way it is go play with J players and see how they do things. This is something I did in 1.0 dam it was fun.

[shape]

Mentors are not expected to explain dungeon mechanics, this choice all players have, many do while many do not. Some are suited for it while many are not.

People forget far to easily they where new players maybe not in this game but new all the same, for me this was Wow, man I was such a newbie back then, but in a good way

Did I go into Dead mines in TOB yes, didIi look up a guide No, to be honest I did not even know they existed back then

was I geared yes and prepared Yes. Even as a newbie you where expected to make some kind of effort.

As for the above snip you used they should have been more specific their is a difference between a new person struggling and a person who use the excuse of wanting to do things 100%. the latter has no right to ask for boss mechanics because its counter intuitive to their play-style.
If they think otherwise there as good as they think they are and are not the kind of player they think they are.

Yes I can say this, because I have done this. I did not ask how do we do this because no one knew back when new dungeons came out and new raid floors.