Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

[B0YRaNmA]

It really does not matter at this point. Raiding is dead in this game, raiders are not coming back.

Casual players are leaving in droves now too. The only reason this game has not gone free to play yet is that Yoshida knows that he can squeeze more money out of the die hard fans that have stuck around by keeping a sub model while having a cash shop.

I truly think this game is beyond redemption.

I agree with you here.

[Archaell]

Wow, you guys fast to catch me before I deleted the post, since the original post got modified...

eww...."everyone who does this content gets something" is super flawed.

I agree the main aim should be to motivate broader amount of players to do savage. Removing lockout is a big carrots for everyone. By not locking out casual, they have the potential to try starting savage from a tier or two back and can catch up.

As long as the casual gear is as strong as the savage gear the casuals have no reason to bother. That is the issue.

Now if the savage gear was 10 or 20 ilvl better than upgraded tomestone gear - sure, feel free to unlock the casual content. I actually said in many threads that the weekly lockouts are punishing new players and players who play multiple jobs. But let's be realistic, casuals being able to grind the best gear in one week could hurt the game a lot. So making the savage content the only one uncapped is giving the players at least some way to gear up without restrictions while it is actually restricted by the difficulty and kinda realistic to implement.

[zosia]

Unfortunately, 10% only accounts for a very small fraction of the community. Raids are not cheap content to develop and barely anyone participates. Their incentive to focus on raiding just isn't there. While you can cite innumerable flaws, few companies will take the initiative because it isn't profitable. Why cater to the 5-10% and hope that number grows, when you can cater to the greater majority and be reasonably assured they will stick around? Now that doesn't mean SE won't devote time to improving raids, but I doubt it will ever be a focal point.


And you "spitting in the face" of anyone only means whatever point you attempt to make will be further glossed over. One of the primary reasons I suspect the devs don't tend to look at these forums is because we're generally quite aggressive towards each other. You can only call someone an idiot or entitled so many times before they just stop hearing whatever you say, regardless of its merit.

Calling people names is against the forum rules, I don't do it. I only mock ideas and points. I have news for you, raiders are not the only people leaving this game. Midcore and casual players are running out the front door too, and you can count on Legion to capture many of those disappointed FFXIV players.

The best part is I don't have to prove anything to you people. I get exactly what I want out of this situation, I get to see that I was right as this game crumbles on all fronts.

Again, I will say this like I have said in this thread several times. How do you expect to keep midcore and casual players hooked into the end game? None of the rewards in this game compel players (Casual, Midcore, and HC alike) to stay subbed.

The entire reward structure is so bad that all content, regardless if it's good or not, will only be relevant for a few weeks, then people just stop logging in. This problem occurs because the rewards from the top down suck. You can't make compelling midcore and casual rewards if the rewards from savage are not even compelling.

This reward problem will continue to be a catalyst that disincentives content until there are no players left, regardless of play style.

When everything is a participation ribbon, people stop caring. When people stop caring, they unsub. This game IS LoTRO Reborn

[B0YRaNmA]

As long as the casual gear is as strong as the savage gear the casuals have no reason to bother. That is the issue.

Now if the savage gear was 10 or 20 ilvl better than upgraded tomestone gear - sure, feel free to unlock the casual content. I actually said in many threads that the weekly lockouts are punishing new players and players who play multiple jobs. But let's be realistic, casuals being able to grind the best gear in one week could hurt the game a lot. So making the savage content the only one uncapped is giving the players at least some way to gear up without restrictions while it is actually restricted by the difficulty and kinda realistic to implement.

I agree with you up to let's be realistic...

The "Casual being able to grind the best gear" is the underlying problems, and that's where it needs to solve, but not w/ your savage solution.

I leave with this comment as things are just going in circles and exchange has gone farther than what I'd liked...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Calling people names is against the forum rules, I don't do it. I only mock ideas and points. I have news for you, raiders are not the only people leaving this game. Midcore and casual players are running out the front door too, and you can count on Legion to capture many of those disappointed FFXIV players.
The best part is I don't have to prove anything to you people. I get exactly what I want out of this situation, I get to see that I was right as this game crumbles on all fronts.

Again, I will say this like I have said in this thread several times. How do you expect to keep midcore and casual players hooked into the end game? None of the rewards in this game compel players (Casual, Midcore, and HC alike) to stay subbed.

The entire reward structure is so bad that all content, regardless if it's good or not, will only be relevant for a few weeks, then people just stop logging in. This problem occurs because the rewards from the top down suck. You can't make compelling midcore and casual rewards if the rewards from savage are not even compelling.

This reward problem will continue to be a catalyst that disincentives content until there are no players left, regardless of play style.

When everything is a participation ribbon, people stop caring. When people stop caring, they unsub. This game IS LoTRO Reborn

And those same players will come back when 4.0 launches. You cannot compare arguably WoW's biggest expansion in years, at least in terms of noteworthy progression, to a patch cycle. Midcore and casuals aren't "running" either. We've seen fairly standard drop off rates for a game undergoing a content drought whilst other major titles have been released.

You keep them by dedicating resources to content they like, Incidentally, that means the devs should strongly consider abandoning hardcore raiding entirely because it just isn't drawing enough interest. Sure, rewards could be better, though I still feel a bigger issue is they've missed the mark on more than a few occasions this year. (Looking at you Verminion and Diadem.) Raiders still have their individual achievements stamped on when they earned them. Granted, it isn't much of a reward, hence this could use a restructure, but it is there. Personally, I would like to see EX Primals and Savage synced, so you could never overgear it.

In any case, you'll be disappointed because won't ever go F2P nor will it crumble. At least not in the sense of "shutting down."

[Archaell]

I agree with you up to let's be realistic...

The "Casual being able to grind the best gear" is the underlying problems, and that's where it needs to solve, but not w/ your savage solution.

I leave with this comments as things are just going in circles and exchange has gone farther than what I liked...7

It's highly unlikely that any suggestion related to the important issues would be implemented.

But at least the forums are entertaining when the game is lacking. See ya.

[zosia]

And those same players will come back when 4.0 launches. You cannot compare arguably WoW's biggest expansion in years, at least in terms of noteworthy progression, to a patch cycle. Midcore and casuals aren't "running" either. We've seen fairly standard drop off rates for a game undergoing a content drought whilst other major titles have been released.

You are ASSUMING they will come back, I am not so convinced. This game is not wow, It does not have the same pull to bring back large chucks of previously disappointed and disenfranchised players.

You keep them by dedicating resources to content they like, Incidentally, that means the devs should strongly consider abandoning hardcore raiding entirely because it just isn't drawing enough interest. Sure, rewards could be better, though I still feel a bigger issue is they've missed the mark on more than a few occasions this year. (Looking at you Verminion and Diadem.) Raiders still have their individual achievements stamped on when they earned them. Granted, it isn't much of a reward, hence this could use a restructure, but it is there. Personally, I would like to see EX Primals and Savage synced, so you could never overgear it.

You think that abandoning raiding could save this game? Have you heard of Lord of the Rings Online? They did exactly what you are suggesting and it killed their game. I HOPE Yoshida takes on your suggestion, it would only make what I want happen faster.

In any case, you'll be disappointed because won't ever go F2P nor will it crumble. At least not in the sense of "shutting down."

We will see I grow ever more gleeful with every census, with every bit of bad news, with every "I am quitting thread"

I think you misplace your confidence with this dev team, They keep missing the mark, again and again and again and again. I literally feel like comcast guy from southpark, lol. I mean, if I am wrong, so be it, at least the raid team I leave behind will have a game to enjoy. If I am right, I get to see a game go up in flames while being vindicated. I don't really have much to lose here, heh.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You are ASSUMING they will come back, I am not so convinced. This game is not wow, It does not have the same pull to bring back large chucks of previously disappointed and disenfranchised players.

Final Fantasy itself is a big name, but yes, I am assuming. We shall see how it all plays out.

You think that abandoning raiding could save this game? Have you heard of Lord of the Rings Online? They did exactly what you are suggesting and it killed their game. I HOPE Yoshida takes on your suggestion, it would only make what I want happen faster.

"Hardcore" raiding. You omitted a key detail there. One could argue focusing entirely on developing a midcore-- both in scaling down Savage slightly, adding more Primals equivalents or even using the saved resources to make harder dungeons would be better than focusing on content only 5-10% of people actually do.

We will see I grow ever more gleeful with every census, with every bit of bad news, with every "I am quitting thread"

I think you misplace your confidence with this dev team, They keep missing the mark, again and again and again and again. I literally feel like comcast guy from southpark, lol. I mean, if I am wrong, so be it, at least the raid team I leave behind will have a game to enjoy. If I am right, I get to see a game go up in flames while being vindicated. I don't really have much to lose here, heh.

Suppose so. Kind of sad you care that much about a game though. I can only speak for myself, but when I lose interest, I just... move on. Why wish other people's enjoyment ruined because you no longer find any?

[zosia]

Suppose so. Kind of sad you care that much about a game though. I can only speak for myself, but when I lose interest, I just... move on. Why wish other people's enjoyment ruined because you no longer find any?

Schadenfreude and I love being right. It's petty, but I don't care, especially when I am out and about and I have nothing better to do. I would say easily 65% of my replies on these forums are while I am either being driven from point A to point B by my hubby, or I am waiting somewhere on someone or something.

I am getting my $15 a month of entertainment, it's just not from logging into the game, heh.

[vp_cmc]

I am getting my $15 a month of entertainment, it's just not from logging into the game, heh.

Be careful



And sub was still active, I was just forced to log in into the game to use forums.