Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Lokier]

Okay, so I managed to escape D/F for a bit;

Let's keep it 100, damage meters and parcers don't make players good at what they do, all they do is make you go 'oh, I did good that time' #onwithmylife.
If a person wants to be good at their class they study and do research, they care. Handing them a damage meter or parser isn't going to make the community or playerbase suddenly better. The people you want to play with, or are describing, don't do D/F to raid, they have their own FC, their own trusted players and their own static.

What you guys want is harder content, not pissy content that spoon-feeds and allows for AFK fights. D/F is this. D/F is 2-minute rice. If you want players to learn their class you have to force them to break their fingers trying to push their class to the extreme to pass content and dungeons, and quite frankily we don't have that kind of content outside savage raiding (which you aint doing unless you want a static group.)
D/F is for the lazy and for people with no time to wait for FC members to log on, and for people who want it easy. Why you guys seem to expect more than that sort of community from a dungeon finder is beyond me. Back in the day, before D/F or dungeon finders were a thing, you had to work with your realm community, build up reputation with these people and do a good god damn job to avoid being black listed from future content.

Duty finder requires none of these things, you don't have to try because you'll never see or hear from these people ever again. There's no incentive for you to get any better at your class. So at the end of the day the real issue comes down to two things; you could remove duty finder and force people to avoid being black balled by learning their class to get anywhere in life, or you can make all dungeons hard / EXT. mode and watch the lazy ones no longer use D/F (increasing your waiting time) because they can no longer be lazy or bad at their class.

[Arrius]

Let's keep it 100, damage meters and parcers don't make players good at what they do, all they do is make you go 'oh, I did good that time' #onwithmylife.
If a person wants to be good at their class they study and do research, they care. Handing them a damage meter or parser isn't going to make the community or playerbase suddenly better. The people you want to play with, or are describing, don't do D/F to raid, they have their own FC, their own trusted players and their own static.

Of course they don't make a player 'good' by itself, it is a information tool for players to analyse their performance. It can make them better if they use the results to change and improve their playstyle.

Beside that, would everyone do the said research about their class in the respective forums/reddit threads like you described, then we wouldn't have this problem in the first place, don't you think?
And don't come with the 'just for fun' thing; doing dungeons is the same as crafting and gathering - You memorize your action patterns, then execute for results. Only that the latter two comes with a personal loss rather than affecting a whole group.

What you guys want is harder content, not pissy content that spoon-feeds and allows for AFK fights. D/F is this. D/F is 2-minute rice.

Just because D/F is '2-Minute Rice', as you say it here, that doesn't mean to be an excuse to slack off on the performance. Getting better with your class benefits all, alone through faster clearing times.

Duty finder requires none of these things, you don't have to try because you'll never see or hear from these people ever again.

And that is one of these reasons, this 'lol who cares right' attitude, which is contributing to the decline in D/F. Guess what the Japanese have regarding your reputation thing : They use a website, where they tag bad people and list them up for others to avoid in dungeons. And they are terrifyingly efficient with this on the whole datacenter.

[Lokier]

And that is one of these reasons, this 'lol who cares right' attitude, which is contributing to the decline in D/F. Guess what the Japanese have regarding your reputation thing : They use a website, where they tag bad people and list them up for others to avoid in dungeons. And they are terrifyingly efficient with this on the whole datacenter.

Then what are you waiting for? Get off your back-side and start name-shaming, lol.