Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Bloody]

Well it's not like it isn't an arguable point, his argument hinges on the fact that dps as a healer is a moot point because dpsing as a healer is useless.

I personally think instead of going back if forth with counter arguments you show hard facts and calcluations about exactly how much dps a healer can actually do

I'm just going to bring up about a dozen or so times I've seen a Scholar out-DPS a horrendously under-performing DPS (or three, to be precise). Other people in the party were utilizing that-which-shall-not-be-named and as another responder to you pointed out, Holy is an amazing AoE spell for Whm. Scholar has a multitude of especially useful debuffs and DoTs to throw around that greatly affect fights, so don't discount healer DPS. It can be absolutely amazing if you actually try.

On the subject of this discussion, if people don't get the fact that this discussion isn't about "good vs bad" skill levels, it is about how damn lazy some people are and the fact they don't try. Very clearly the OP and others have said, if you are trying that's all they care about. It is painfully clear when somebody is slacking off compared to at least trying and failing for some reason (like ping, sluggish reactions and fat fingers. People who don't try are what's wrong with the human race due to their expectations of handouts. Sorry, the point of any collectivist action is to benefit the whole, not the individual. Also, I've gone through many pounds of popcorn reading the bickering. Please continue to provide my afternoon entertainment.