Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Kaurie]

Neither are you if that's the case your only proof is that people don't like it because they make a forum post about it here and of reddit so it most be a large problem to the community that's your argument. My counter to that is they make up a small part of the community as shown by the number of reddit subscribers along with your census data and the low amount of thread about this topic on either. Now if your looking for hard numbers for neither of us will find any for either argument unless you wanna track down the a good percentage of the player base to get a decent sample be my guest.

As for the bit about your competitive nature you are the one that brought it up and we've already established that you are bugged by people not doing their upmost in a dungeon run because it slows you down like its a race or something or sense you feel that if you're trying as best you expect everyone else should do the same.

I provided evidence that there are some people who are harassing others in the current situation. I make the case that the number of harassment issues will remain stagnant whether a parser is added or not (it will just change who does the harassing but total number of incidents will remain relatively the same). I provided my reasoning for this. Your case is that there will be a large difference and have provided no reasoning to suggest that it would be.

Anyway, I enjoy having intelligent conversations, but this has become quite circular and you're refusing to actually contribute meaningfully. You could simply respond and say, I don't know that there will be an increase, no one knows, but I think there will be. That's fine, we're all allowed to think things and no one does know the future. The issue is that you said matter-of-factly that it would, and then provided nothing to back that up.

Additionally, I'd like to note that you have a misunderstanding of my argument. I do not think harassment currently is a large problem. I don't think it happens frequently, anyway. Though, I do think that even 1 person being harassed is a significant enough issue to warrant attention. My argument is that the volume of harassment incidents will remain unchanged with the addition of a parser.

I think Yoshi-P doesn't allow in-game parsing because.. well, look at WoW; Any excuse to kick / belittle someone is used because of damage meter, he wants to avoid people being judged, or feeling judged, for what damage it is they're doing. If people want to eyeball their dps they can just download ACT and set that up, there's nothing stopping people... Well, unless you're not part of the PC master race, then you're on your own. :P
Besides, if people are so worried about what others are doing then they need to stop using D/F and start making statics to avoid playing with people "below" their standards. Start black-balling players for their terrible play-style via your realm (since you can blacklist and avoid these people for nexttime.)

There's plenty of solutions, and even then... Parsers don't make people better players. x)

I do look at wow, and outside of the LFR in WoW, the community is generally less toxic there than here from my experience. That said, I am sure there are jerks in both games. My point is that a parser doesn't create jerks, it merely tilts the power between the two camps of people. The conflict will always be there, because there will always be conflicting play styles and values.

[thegreatonemal]

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Did you lose you're train of thought or something? We weren't talking about the effects of parser in the DF.