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[Windi]

As an aside, there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective. Sure, some styles won't be as effective in getting the job done, but that depends on popular opinion and the current circumstances at hand, so I highly recommend you guys get out of that mindset.

[FunkyBunch]

As an aside, there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective. Sure, some styles won't be as effective in getting the job done, but that depends on popular opinion

This is not true. Play Styles that are less effective are bad. There's no popular opinion, if what you're doing makes it take extra time, it's bad. If it makes what you're doing take less time it's good. It's a pretty objective standard and not subject to opinion.

[Windi]

This is not true. Play Styles that are less effective are bad. There's no popular opinion, if what you're doing makes it take extra time, it's bad. If it makes what you're doing take less time it's good. It's a pretty objective standard and not subject to opinion.

Taking extra time is "bad"? I'm sure if you rushed through a chess match, for instance, you'd probably be punished for it. "Bad" and "Good" are inherently subjective terms dependent on the conscientious of a group of people. There is nothing objective about it, and I'd even go on to say that objectivity doesn't truly exist in a medium like games, or anything in society as a whole.

[Talamarie]

This is not true. Play Styles that are less effective are bad. There's no popular opinion, if what you're doing makes it take extra time, it's bad. If it makes what you're doing take less time it's good. It's a pretty objective standard and not subject to opinion.

And this is a shitty answer and a really closed mind style to operate into a community game. Like he said people should communicate.
Would you kick someone because of his job that is less operative for you although it's the only one he maxed so far ?
I have the feeling that i already know the answer.

Personnally when i get into an instance and i want some stuff i ask the team if that wouldn't bother them to leave it to me.
Some agree others don't. But i talked about it and that make it easy and completely understood.

[FunkyBunch]

And this is a shitty answer and a really closed mind style to operate into a community game. Like he said people should communicate.
Would you kick someone because of his job that is less operative for you although it's the only one he maxed so far ?
I have the feeling that i already know the answer.

Personnally when i get into an instance and i want some stuff i ask the team if that wouldn't bother them to leave it to me.
Some agree others don't. But i talked about it and that make it easy and completely understood.

I never said I'd kick someone. I responded to a statement about play style. The other post I agreed with or I would have quoted that one and responded.

[KarstenS]

there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective.

Not many days ago. Welping city of Mhach. The tombstone fight right before Ozma.

Group A wasn't able to kill the fireballs in time. So the entire alliance recieved massive damage.

At the second set of adds, the fireball exploded again and they did not got the second sets of adds down in time. Result: The entire group A died, because they were locked out of the shield.

There is no "bad" playstyle? Really?

[Khalithar]

As an aside, there is no such thing as a "bad" playstyle as it's something completely subjective. Sure, some styles won't be as effective in getting the job done, but that depends on popular opinion and the current circumstances at hand, so I highly recommend you guys get out of that mindset.

Absolutely disagree, especially when it comes to DPS classes. In this game each dps class has exactly one proper rotation of abilities with no deviation. This isn't a player pressure thing you'd see in WoW (i.e. if you want to dps as a Rogue you must be this spec or you suck etc.) the developers of this game clearly intended for each dps class to be played a very specific way.

[MaeIsMean]

Absolutely disagree, especially when it comes to DPS classes. In this game each dps class has exactly one proper rotation of abilities with no deviation. This isn't a player pressure thing you'd see in WoW (i.e. if you want to dps as a Rogue you must be this spec or you suck etc.) the developers of this game clearly intended for each dps class to be played a very specific way.

The problem is when people expect you to know and execute said "proper rotation" flawlessly all the time. Even if you are in a dungeon for the first time. I hate when people point and laugh and say "Haha, you just want to be carried!" because someone is learning and not doing things perfectly. With how fast it is to level these days (POTD has not helped this), it's easy to get a class to 60. And some of the job guides on this very forum are confusing as hell for someone who isn't 60 and in the best gear.

[Khalithar]

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I can sort of see your point here. But I'm addressing people that don't do these rotations or even try to while still claiming their damage is fine. This is going to be purely anecdotal fair enough, but it's to give you an idea of the sort of stuff I'm referring to specifically.

In Sohr Khai, I had a dragoon in the party that used True Thrust, Heavy Thrust, and Impulse Drive with no other weaponskills included whatsoever. They completely ignored their combos. I wish I was kidding, I even told them their rotations and the buttons to hit but they completely ignored me, after a second attempt on the horse boss with absolutely no improvement (we ran out of gravestones at 70-80% because the drg's damage was so awful) despite me telling the drg how to properly do the rotation, I was ignored. I told them they were the worst drg I've ever seen and quit the party in disgust. The drg in question was in full 230's, they should have been the highest damage in the party.

There are people that genuinely believe playing that badly is acceptable and that brings me back to the person I was replying to and the point I was making. It's one thing to not do your rotation correctly while learning a fight, it's quite different to be a level 60 and be playing your class completely wrong because you think your playstyle is fine or that you feel your damage is fine. With the dps classes specifically there is only one way to play them correctly, there are no alternate rotations or playstyles, you can't try using your abilities in a different order you can't try using certain attacks a different way, every dps class has a very structured and precise rotation (procs notwithstanding) that they have to abide by to play correctly.

The game teaches you how combos work, the buttons light up on top of the fact that if you take the time to actually read your abilities and experiment, it becomes pretty obvious what you have to do. Using drg as further example, I had mostly figured out a rotation on my own naturally from just leveling it then when I finally looked at a guide it turns out that I was doing it correctly and I don't think it's because I'm some genius or gaming prodigy, it's because I took five minutes to read my abilities and how they work along with the combo effects.

[Launched]

The problem is when people expect you to know and execute said "proper rotation" flawlessly all the time. Even if you are in a dungeon for the first time.

No one expects you to be flawless, we expect you to know your optimal rotation and not drop buffs like Enochian or Blood of the Dragon on fights without much boss downtime. There's also no excuse for not knowing how to deal with trash since pretty much no dungeon has mechanics to watch out for.