Vote to kick feature

[Windi]

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(I hate these character count limits)
That may be the case, but the reason I used that analogy is to demonstrate a situation where going at a slower pace is favorable. Life as a whole isn't bound by a simplistic, binary set of rules, and what rules we instate in society are by and large a construct of our own, collective opinions.

Like, the main reason I'm even having this talk with you is to break you out of that line of thinking, because it promotes oversimplification and generally works against critical thinking. I might be going extreme in my next example, here, but someone can easily say that homosexuality is "bad" and use that as an excuse for a group of people not to change. Thank goodness someone actually challenged that idea in human history, otherwise we would be completely skirting over an aspect of reality to this day.

[Ametrine]

Players using knock-back skills freely are an issue for any class that requires melee distance.

For example, a low level tank. "I'm losing aggro on the mobs, gotta Overpo- shit he blew it away!"

There are intended to keep enemies at bay while you cast a spell. In a party, your tank's whole job is to do just that, so it's unnecessary, and any DPS you gain from the blow is DPS lost from everyone else. So unless you are fighting a baddy that can't be knocked around (like certain bosses), just set that skill aside.

As for the vote-kick, I've really only required it for a few people DC'ing and like maybe 2 jerks. I don't see anything wrong with the current system.

[Lokier]

People who use knock-back are scum, scuuuuuummmm. Especially you, healer who runs up to the tank's mobs and uses it to punt them when you don't even have aggro.

[birdy_reene]

haha, play styles XD LOL. Look at me der der der, Im a paladin, hur hur hur. I melded dexterity and intelligence materia cause im the most elusive, smartest pld around der der der, *Tank buster* well....damn...

[StrejdaTom]

Vote kick is fine as it is and I would kick you too.
You are just being entitled and are hurting the rest of your party for small DPS gain. Either use knockback on mobs that have resistance or keep it for special occasions, DF isn't raid, you don't have to pop each oGCD on cooldown for small DPS gain.

And I honestly believe that knocking mobs back and forth and making the game annoying to the rest of your party really isn't "playing your job as it is intended."

[Pells]

Vote kick is fine as it is and I would kick you too.
You are just being entitled and are hurting the rest of your party for small DPS gain. Either use knockback on mobs that have resistance or keep it for special occasions, DF isn't raid, you don't have to pop each oGCD on cooldown for small DPS gain.

And I honestly believe that knocking mobs back and forth and making the game annoying to the rest of your party really isn't "playing your job as it is intended."

Knocking a mob out of melee range is a dps loss. Whatever damage they're doing with Blank or Fluid Aura doesn't make up for even one missed attack by the tank alone, let alone if there's a melee dps there.

[Yeol]

People just click 'yes' to anything now. Once in trial, the tank wanted to kick a dps for complaining a lot and not dpsing. So he by mistake vote kick a healer. The vote went through and healer actually got kicked! Left me speachless .. people dont read what they are voting for!

[Windi]

I like how you guys completely ignored my following post on the subject matter and twisted the intent of the former.

I'm not suggesting you guys break conventions, I'm suggesting that you recognize the nature of conventions and not narrow them down to simple, rigid meanings.

Basically, it just rubs me the wrong way when people describe things as "bad" and "good." "Most/least effective" or "most/less practical" are better terms for me, here.

[JustPlainLucas]

I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities... Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game... That's called being a cry baby and you don't want to put extra effort...

But knock back isn't meant to be used just because it's up. It's only meant to be used when you're soloing and need to interrupt a move, or the Tank's stuns are on CD. But using it just because it's there can be an annoyance and even put the party in danger since the tank has to chase the target and possibly aggro another group the party isn't ready to fight yet. Also, I've seen SMNs not put theirs birds on obey so they knock the target that has DoTs away from the group and they screw up their own Banes. That's idiotic.

[Ametrine]

I think people's points are that you should be able to choose your rotations; summoning a minion you shouldn't be using, using knock-back in dungeons or not doing your class quests classifies you as mentally incapable, not "doing ya own thang!"

It's worth trying to be diplomatic in such scenarios, first, at least.. I've run across many players that genuinely didn't know that Topaz wasn't just a stronger version of Emerald, or how detrimental knockback was for melee since they were simply powering through the story. I've also explained the bonuses for upgrading to a job or taking the time to cross-class skills.

Most of it is obvious, but some people get too ahead of themselves.